Power at fundamental frequency

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of "power at the fundamental frequency" as encountered in a specific article related to brain activation studies using fMRI. Participants explore the mathematical representation of a wave and the implications of defining power in this context, questioning its physical meaning and statistical interpretations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Mauro, expresses confusion about the definition of "fundamental power" and its relation to work/time, questioning how it can be approximated by squared amplitudes.
  • Another participant suggests that the article employs a Fourier expansion, identifying the first pair of terms as the fundamental frequency and the subsequent terms as overtones.
  • A later reply indicates that the sine and cosine terms may serve a purpose beyond Fourier expansion, specifically for correcting interpolation errors in image alignment, though this is deemed less relevant to the main question.
  • One participant proposes that "power at a certain frequency" could be interpreted as the power passing through a filter that isolates that frequency, offering a potential conceptual framework.
  • There is speculation that "power" might refer to statistical power, relating to the probability of avoiding false positives, although this remains uncertain.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the meaning of "power at the fundamental frequency," with multiple interpretations and uncertainties expressed throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the dependence on definitions and the potential for misinterpretation of terms like "power" in different contexts, particularly in relation to physics and statistics.

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Hi all,
reading an article I've encountered the concept of power at the fundamental frequency, google didn't help me. Could you please give to me any hint about this problem? It is at least one week I'm dealing to understand what the "fundamental power" is!
there is a kind of wave, express as:
Y(t)=a1*sin(omega*t)+b1*cos(omega*t)+a2*sin(2*omega*t)+b2*cos(2*omega*t)+a3*sin(3*omega*t)+b3*cos(3*omega*t)
they say that fundamental power is:
a1^2+b1^2
and the square error of the fundamental power is sqrt(2(SE(a1)^4 + SE(b1)^4))

to me it seems quite strange! The power of wave is the work/time, but I guess that the fundamental power it not related to the work/time meaning.
And anyway, how it can be approximated to the squared amplitudes?
also how the square error of fundamental power becomes the dirty thing I wrote above!

thanks a lot,
Mauro

P.S the article is:
Methods for Diagnosis and Treatment. of Stimulus-Correlated Motion in Generic Brain Activation Studies Using fMRI.
www-bmu.psychiatry.cam.ac.uk/sitewide/publications/journal/bullmore99met.pdf
and the formula I'm talking about is at the beginning of page 42.
 
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It looks like the article is using a Fourier expansion of a signal with period omega. The first pair of terms is the fundamental, and the others are overtones (integer multiples of the fundamental).
 
mathman said:
It looks like the article is using a Fourier expansion of a signal with period omega. The first pair of terms is the fundamental, and the others are overtones (integer multiples of the fundamental).

yes, it seems something derived from a Fourier expansion, but actually the sum of sin and cos are there for other reasons. In fact, is to correct for interpolation errors aligning images: that comes from the work of Bullmore et al. cited just above the formula, and the frequency should be the frequency of the time series. By the way, this is not really important to answer my question, I guess!
I can not get the meaning of "power at a certain frequency", it doens't make any sense to me! Or at least, not in a physics way!
I got a guessing answering to you... maybe the power refers to the statistical power (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_power) or the probability that a false positive doesn't occur!
may be...
 
Think of power at a certain frequency (or frequency interval) as the power you would get passing through a filter that only passes the frequency (or frequency interval) of interest.

Claude.
 

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