Power Calculation for Scaled Pump Model

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving the power calculation for a scaled pump model. Participants explore the relationships between the model and full-size pump parameters, focusing on scaling laws and dimensional analysis.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a scaling problem involving a model pump and a full-size pump, providing specific parameters for both.
  • Another participant suggests starting with the functional relationship derived from the model and writing the full-size version in terms of model parameters.
  • There is confusion expressed regarding the scaling process and the need for additional information to solve the problem.
  • A participant questions what changes in flow rate (Q) and head rise (delta H) are necessary to maintain the dimensionless groups constant between the model and full-size versions.
  • Further clarification is provided about the need to find changes in Q, P, and delta H to keep the dimensionless groups consistent.
  • One participant expresses that they have successfully understood the relationships and solved the problem after receiving assistance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to maintain dimensional consistency between the model and full-size pumps, but there is uncertainty regarding the specific steps required to achieve this. The discussion reflects a mix of confusion and clarification without a definitive resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the presence of additional dimensionless groups in the problem, which complicates the scaling analysis. There is also a reference to the need for more information to fully resolve the scaling issue.

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Homework Statement


Hi Guys,

I have this question:
b. A model scaled to one-third the size of the prototype has the following characteristics:
Omegam = 900 rpm
Dm = 5 in
deltaHm = 10 ft
Qm = 3 ft^3/s
Pm = 2 hp
If the full-size pump is to run at 300 rpm, what is the power required for this pump?

Homework Equations


I have found the non dimensional form as:

P/rho * omega^3 * D^5 = f(deltaH/D, Q/Omega * D^3)

density of the fluid, rho
angular speed of the rotor, omega
diameter of the rotor, D
head rise across the pump, deltaH
volumetric flow through the pump, Q

The Attempt at a Solution


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I'm really not sure where to start, I thought I could equate the model equation, P/rho * omega^3 * D^5 with the real life size version but I don't have enough data to rearrange it and am very confused. Could you guys please offer a hand? The answer is 18.

Thanks!
 
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I think that you should start with what you thought you could start with.
GBA13 said:

The Attempt at a Solution


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I'm really not sure where to start, I thought I could equate the model equation, P/rho * omega^3 * D^5 with the real life size version but I don't have enough data to rearrange it and am very confused. Could you guys please offer a hand? The answer is 18.

What things are different between the model and the full-size version? P, D and omega.
Write the full-size version in terms of the model parameters.
 
RUber said:
I think that you should start with what you thought you could start with.What things are different between the model and the full-size version? P, D and omega.
Write the full-size version in terms of the model parameters.

The problem is that I've posted everything I've been told. Normally it would be quite an easy question but I swear I'm not given enough information. I'll Include a screen shot of the problem.
 

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I'm confused. You obtained the correct functional relationship. Is it that you are having a problem with the actual scaling? What would it take to hold the two dimensionless groups in the right hand side of the equation constant, in terms of the required changes in Q and delta H? What would it take to hold the dimensionless group on the left hand side of the equation constant in terms of the change in P?

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
I'm confused. You obtained the correct functional relationship. Is it that you are having a problem with the actual scaling? What would it take to hold the two dimensionless groups in the right hand side of the equation constant, in terms of the required changes in Q and delta H? What would it take to hold the dimensionless group on the left hand side of the equation constant in terms of the change in P?

Chet

Hi Chet,

Yes it is the scaling which I'm stuck on. As I'm quite new to this I have only done questions where you work out the functional relationship and then equate one side of it with itself and plug in the numbers they give you for the model and full size versions and then rearrange for the unknown. As there is two extra pi groups in this case I'm just not sure what I should be doing.
 
GBA13 said:
Hi Chet,

Yes it is the scaling which I'm stuck on. As I'm quite new to this I have only done questions where you work out the functional relationship and then equate one side of it with itself and plug in the numbers they give you for the model and full size versions and then rearrange for the unknown. As there is two extra pi groups in this case I'm just not sure what I should be doing.
You need to find the changes you need to have in Q, P, and delta H to hold the three dimensionless groups the same as in the scale model case. You have 3 groups and 3 parameters to play with.

Chet
 
Ok I get it, I just got them all right! Thanks very much for your help! :)
 

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