Power requirements for an electric trike

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The discussion revolves around the power requirements for building an electric recumbent trike that incorporates both pedal-generated power and solar panels for battery recharging. Participants explore the feasibility of this hybrid approach, focusing on the necessary specifications for the generator and solar panels based on expected power outputs from pedaling and environmental conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Ken proposes a project to build an electric recumbent trike that uses pedals to generate power for recharging batteries, supplemented by solar panels.
  • CWatters suggests determining the power output of the person pedaling and the required generator size based on that output.
  • Another participant references a source indicating an average power output of 300 W at 80 rpm for pedaling, discussing the power needed to overcome a 15% slope with specific weight and friction factors.
  • This participant calculates that, after accounting for power used to climb a hill, approximately 106 W would be available for charging the battery while pedaling.
  • They also mention that an average solar power output could be around 75 W per square foot, affecting the total charging time based on available sunlight.
  • A different participant cites that Tour de France cyclists average around 250 W while cruising, questioning whether typical individuals could sustain such output.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the power outputs achievable through pedaling, with some citing specific figures and conditions while others question the sustainability of these outputs for average users. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the exact specifications needed for the generator and solar panels.

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Participants rely on different assumptions regarding average power outputs and environmental conditions, which may affect calculations. The discussion includes various factors such as weight, slope, and efficiency that are not universally agreed upon.

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Hello,
I may be thinking out of my element here but I am considering a project. I want to build a recumbent trike that is electric powered. I want to take a slightly different approach however. I want to use the pedals to turn a generator to assist in the recharging of the batteries. Additionally, I want to add solar panels for additional recharging. With this set-up, I hope to significantly extend the range of the trike. Additionally, with the solar panels, charging can continue when the trike is not being used. What I am not familiar with is how to determine size generator and solar panels that need to be used. I want to build it using a 48 volt system. I am sure you will want more details, but I don't know what else to give you at this time (as I said, I am out of my element here but like to take on projects that stretch me).

Thanks
Ken
 
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How much power can the person pedalling produce and at what rpm? That's the size generator you need.

A lot of research has been done into pedal power. Not just for cycle racing but also man powered flight and for power generation in remote areas (lighting and radios in Africa).

Do some googling.
 
Following CWatters recommendation I found this link in the web:
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-average-pedaling-force-applied-by-a-bicycle-rider
From the above link P=300 W at 80 rpm.
You need some of this power to keep on cycling and another part to charge the battery.
So, let's say you have to climb a 15% slope hill , the weight of 100 kg and a rolling friction factor of
0.07 with a constant speed of 2 m/sec. The force will be 100*0.07*sin(a)=9.88 kg =97 N
[a=asin(0.15)] and the required power P=F*v=97*2=194 W.
The available power to charge the battery will be 300-194=106 W.
An average sun power [including efficiency] it could be 75 W/sqr.ft
It depends now how many hours you may dedicate for charge the battery.
A battery of 30 Ah will give 4.2 A /7 h [4.2*48=201 W].
Charging only by pedaling will take about 14 h. Combining pedaling and sun you need about 7 hours.
 
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