Power series expansion and largest disc of validity

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The discussion revolves around finding the power series expansion of the function f(z) = z^3 + 6z^2 - 4z - 3 about the point z0 = 1, as well as determining the largest disc in which this series is valid. The subject area includes power series, analytic functions, and convergence criteria.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the nature of the power series derived from the polynomial and question the convergence of the series. There is confusion regarding the conditions under which the series converges and the implications of certain theorems related to analytic functions.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the conditions for convergence and the implications of the analytic nature of the polynomial. Some have provided guidance on the properties of polynomials and their power series, while others are questioning assumptions about convergence at specific points.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of a theorem regarding analytic functions and the implications of having all derivatives vanish at a point, which some participants are trying to reconcile with the current problem. Additionally, the discussion touches on the behavior of the series as z approaches infinity.

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Homework Statement



Find the power-series expansion about the given point for the function; find the largest disc in which the series is valid.

f(z) = z^3 + 6z^2-4z-3 about z0=1.

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The series is fine. Since it's a polynomial, there are only three non-zero terms. I get:

f(x) = 11(x-1) + 9(x-1)^2 + (x-1)^3.

But I am very confused about the second part of the problem, the disc. I know that as a consequence of Cauchy's theorem, if f is analytic in a domain and there is a disk of some radius, say r, inside the domain, then f can be written as a (convergent) power series inside the disc. But I don't see how to find the disk! Unless it can be simply written as |x-x0| <= r. This kind of makes sense because you'd want the disc to be able to shrink about the point x0, where the expansion is going around.

OR: Should be coefficients in the power series be something other than the normal I get from Taylor series? Is there some special technique that I'm not using?
 
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I think you are just confused because you are used to harder problems. Are there any values of x for which the 'series' doesn't converge?
 
Hm, I suppose that if z=1, then each term would be zero. This would be bad, because there's another theorem that says if each term is zero then f(z) = 0 in the entire domain. Which can't be true because we know what f(z) is, and it's not 0! :)
 
quasar_4 said:
Hm, I suppose that if z=1, then each term would be zero. This would be bad, because there's another theorem that says if each term is zero then f(z) = 0 in the entire domain. Which can't be true because we know what f(z) is, and it's not 0! :)

That's a mighty strange theorem. Can you quote it?
 
Ok, I looked and I was mis-quoting something. The theorem says that if f is analytic in a domain D and further at some point zo in D we have f^(k)(z0), k=0,1,2,... Then f(z) = 0 for all z in D.

Let's see - some if I understand, this says that if I pick a point in the domain D where all the derivatives of analytic f vanish, then f(z) = 0.
 
quasar_4 said:
Ok, I looked and I was mis-quoting something. The theorem says that if f is analytic in a domain D and further at some point zo in D we have f^(k)(z0), k=0,1,2,... Then f(z) = 0 for all z in D.

Let's see - some if I understand, this says that if I pick a point in the domain D where all the derivatives of analytic f vanish, then f(z) = 0.

That's fine, so it doesn't apply here, right?
 
I suppose not *sigh*.

What if z gets very large? (I meant to type z, not x, in my original post). I suppose if z were to get big, the whole thing would blow up and we'd lose convergence of the "series". Perhaps I am making it harder than it is :)
 
You are right. You are making it harder than it is. The only 'point' where your series diverges is the 'point' at infinity. The way the question is phrased is also making it seem harder than it is.
 
Ha! Well, it turns out that I am good at making things harder then they need to be. Thanks for the help! :-D
 
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To find the power series for f(z) = z^3 + 6z^2-4z-3 about z_0= 1:

1. Replace z in the polynomial by x+1.

2. Replace x by z.

The resulting polynomial is the power series you want. Any polynomial is analytic at any point. And any function, analytic everywhere (an "entire" function) has power series that converges for all x.
 

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