Poynting vector of current carrying wire

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The discussion revolves around the Poynting vector associated with a long straight wire carrying a constant current. Participants are exploring the relationship between the electric field, magnetic field, and the Poynting vector at the surface of the wire, as well as the implications of charge neutrality in the wire.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the Poynting vector and questions the relationship between the electric field and the charge distribution in the wire. Some participants inquire about the net charge of the wire and its implications for the electric field both inside and outside the wire.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the electric field's presence and its calculation. There is a recognition of the potential difference across the wire, which leads to further exploration of the electric field's magnitude. Guidance has been provided regarding the relationship between voltage and electric field.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of the wire being neutral and how that affects the electric field, both inside and outside the wire. There is an ongoing exploration of the assumptions regarding charge distribution and its effect on the Poynting vector.

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Homework Statement


A long straight wire of radius a and resistance per unit length R carries a constant current I. Find the Poynting vector N = E × H at the surface of the wire and give
a sketch showing the directions of the current, the electric field E, the magnetic field
H, and N. Integrate the Poynting vector over the surface of a length l of the wire and comment on your result

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


##\integral{H\dot dl}=I_{free}##
##H(2\pi r)=I##
##H|_a=\frac{I}{2\pi a} \hat{\theta}##

E outside the wire will be ##E=-\frac{\lambda}{2\pi\epsilon r } \hat{r}##

I don't know if this is the same as the E field at the surface? Also I don't know how to get ##\lambda## in terms of I and R

then ##S=E\cross H ##

Many thanks
 
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Does a wire piece of length ##l## carry a net charge or is it neutral?
 
kuruman said:
Does a wire piece of length ##l## carry a net charge or is it neutral?
It is neutral. However I know there needs to be a poynting vector so I don't know how this works
 
If it's neutral, there is no E-field outside the wire. How about inside the wire?
 
kuruman said:
If it's neutral, there is no E-field outside the wire. How about inside the wire?
Inside the wire we have a non-neutral charge. Negative electrons flow in one direction, leaving positive ions behind. Hence we have an E-field in the direction of current? Not sure how to calculate its magnitude though
 
Physgeek64 said:
Not sure how to calculate its magnitude though
You know that the potential difference across the two ends of the wire is V. If the distance between the ends is ##l##, what is E?
 
kuruman said:
You know that the potential difference across the two ends of the wire is V. If the distance between the ends is ##l##, what is E?
##\frac{V}{l}##
 
OK, now what? How does that help you answer the question?
 
kuruman said:
OK, now what? How does that help you answer the question?
It does help- thank you very much!
 

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