Practice Test Solutions: Derivation of [ -4/3, 1/3, 1 ] with Red Correction

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The discussion focuses on the derivation of the vector $\left[\begin{array}{c}-4/3\\1/3\\1 \end{array}\right]$ related to the null space of a matrix, specifically examining the red correction in the context of reduced row echelon form (rref) and the equations derived from it. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of different approaches to solving the problem.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the derivation of the vector $\left[\begin{array}{c}-4/3\\1/3\\1 \end{array}\right]$ and the associated red correction.
  • Another participant provides their version of the rref form of the matrix $A$, suggesting that the null space calculation is correct but questioning the correctness of the author's rref form.
  • A different participant notes uncertainty regarding the origin of a negative sign in the derivation.
  • One participant prefers not to reduce the matrix and presents an alternative method to derive the null space, leading to the same equations and ultimately the same vector form, but emphasizes a different approach to elimination.
  • There is mention of an alternative representation of the null space vector by taking $z = -3$, indicating a preference for whole numbers over fractions.

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Participants express differing views on the correctness of the rref form and the methods used to derive the null space. There is no consensus on the best approach or the correctness of the initial derivation.

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Some participants highlight the potential for different representations of the null space vector, indicating a preference for whole numbers versus fractions, which may reflect personal preferences rather than mathematical necessity.

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Ok I didn't understand how he derived the

$\left[\begin{array}{c}-4/3\\1/3\\1 \end{array}\right]$

where the red correction is
 

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For the rref form of $A,$ I get
$$A_{\text{rref}}=\left[\begin{matrix}1&0&4/3\\0&1&-1/3\\0&0&0\end{matrix}\right].$$
To find the null space of $A,$ you're essentially solving $A\mathbf{x}=0$ for $\mathbf{x}$. You can see that you have the equations
\begin{align*}
x+(4/3)z&=0\\
y-(1/3)z&=0
\end{align*}
to solve. One solution is $z=1, y=1/3, x=-4/3.$ Any multiple of this vector is also a solution, as $A(t\mathbf{x})=t(A\mathbf{x})=t\cdot 0=0.$

I'm not entirely sure the author's form of $A_{\text{rref}}$ is correct, but the null space calculation is correct.
 
ok couldn't see where the negative came from
 
Personally, I wouldn't have reduced the matrix. The null space is, of course, the set of all \begin{bmatrix}x \\ y \\ z \end{bmatrix} such that \begin{bmatrix}1 & 1 & 1 \\ 2 & -1 & 3 \\ -1 & 2 & -2\end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}x \\ y \\ z\end{bmatrix}= \begin{bmatrix} x+ y+ z \\ 2x- y+ 3z \\ -x+ 2y- 2z\end{bmatrix}= \begin{bmatrix} 0 \\ 0 \\ 0 \end{bmatrix} which is the same as the three equations
x+ y+ z= 0
2x- y+ 3z= 0
-x+ 2y- 2z= 0.

Adding the first two equations eliminates y leaving 3x+ 4z= 0. Adding twice the second equation to the third also eliminates y and leaves the same 3x+ 4z. Any \begin{bmatrix}x \\ y \\ z \end{bmatrix} in the null space must satisfy 3x+ 4z= 0. Solve that for x: x= -\frac{4}{3}z. Then x+ y+ z= -\frac{4}{3}z+ y+ z= y- \frac{1}{3}z= 0 so y= \frac{1}{3}zs. Any vector in the null space is of the form \begin{bmatrix}-\frac{4}{3} \\ \frac{1}{3} \\ 1\end{bmatrix}z. We can take z= 1 and say that any vector in the null space is a multiple of \begin{bmatrix}-\frac{4}{3}\\ \frac{1}{3} \\ 1\end{bmatrix}.

(Some of use, who don't like fractions, might be inclined to take z= -3 and say that any vector in the null space is a multiple of \begin{bmatrix}4 \\ -1 \\ -3 \end{bmatrix}.)
 

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