Predict the equation for the period of a pendulum

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The discussion revolves around predicting the equation for the period of a pendulum based on experimental observations regarding the effects of mass, horizontal displacement, and length. The original poster shares data collected from a lab experiment and notes that neither mass nor horizontal displacement appeared to affect the period, while length did show a proportional relationship with the period squared.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the period squared and pendulum length, with one participant suggesting a formula of the form T² = kL. Questions arise about deriving the equation without using calculus, and whether the slope of the graph can be expressed in terms of gravitational acceleration.

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Some participants have provided insights into the mathematical relationships involved, including references to torque and moment of inertia. There is an ongoing exploration of how to derive the period equation from the observed data, with no clear consensus yet on the best approach. Guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the slope of the graph and known formulas.

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The original poster mentions a lack of calculus knowledge, which may limit the methods available for deriving the equation. Additionally, the discussion includes considerations of how different conditions, such as varying gravitational acceleration, could impact the results.

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I did a lab on pendulums and I need to answer the following:
Examine the experimental evidence in regards to each of the properties of the pendulum, mass, horizontal displacement and length. Predict the equation for the period of a pendulum and calculate it based on your observations.

The data I have to work with is:
-I have different horizontal displacements and the periods for each displacement
-I have different masses and the periods for each mass
-I have different pendulum lengths and the periods for each length

In this lab, I observed that neither the horizontal displacement or the mass had an effect on the period of a pendulum.


I found this page ( http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/pend.html#c4 ) that works out the steps for deriving the period of a pendulum, but I, nor any classmates of mine, have been introduced to calculus yet so I am assuming that is not the way I am supossed to derive this equation.

I graphed out the period squared vs the pendulum length and they are proportional.

If anyone could help with with some sort of direction to go in creating the equation of a pendulum I would really appreciate it!
Thanks (:
 
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So I am guessing that you are asking for the equation of motion for the pendulum.

Start out with the first law for torque

[tex]T = I\alpha[/tex]

For the pendulum the moment of intertia is

[tex]I = L^2m[/tex]

So what are the torques on the pendulum? If you draw out the free body diagram (or look on the site) and use a little trignometry you find that there is one due to gravity

[tex]T = -mgL\sin\theta[/tex]

Combining the two equations gives you

[tex]L^2m\alpha = -mgL\sin\theta[/tex]

Now here is the one part where a very little bit of calculus comes in. Acceleration is the second derivative of displacement with respect to time. This can be written

[tex]\alpha = \frac{d^2\theta}{dt}[/tex]

Another relation you need to use is that for small angles the following is true

[tex]\sin\theta = \theta[/tex]

Combing the previous three equations and rearranging gives

[tex]\frac{d^2\theta}{dt} + \frac{g}{L}\theta = 0[/tex]

Which is the equation of motion for the pendulum.
 


I graphed out the period squared vs the pendulum length and they are proportional.
Then you have the formula: T² = kL
(the quantity on the vertical axis = slope x quantity on horizontal axis)
It would be nice to express the slope constant in terms of g, but that would be working backward from the answer. Unless you have the means to do the experiment under different g conditions!
 


I think I may have been unclear in my explanation, I THINK I am trying to get to the equation:
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Is there any way I can get there from T^2=kL?
Or am I completely in the wrong direction?

Thanks for the replies (:
 


Take the square root of both sides.
You might compare your slope value with the 4π²/g from the formula and find the % difference.

Mbaboy, that is the nicest derivation of the formula I've seen! Thank you very much.
 


Delphi51 said:
Take the square root of both sides.
You might compare your slope value with the 4π²/g from the formula and find the % difference.

Mbaboy, that is the nicest derivation of the formula I've seen! Thank you very much.

I think that will work out quite nicely!
thank you very much for your help!
 

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