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The discussion revolves around a high school senior seeking guidance on self-teaching physics and calculus in preparation for college. Participants explore the challenges of entering college-level physics without a strong high school background in these subjects and share recommendations for instructional materials.

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  • One participant expresses a desire to self-teach physics and calculus and seeks recommendations for suitable instructional books.
  • Another participant questions the extent of the original poster's prior math and physics education, noting complications due to personal issues.
  • Some participants suggest that taking prerequisite courses before applying to college would be beneficial, emphasizing the fast pace of college-level physics and calculus.
  • Others argue that while a lack of high school background may present challenges, it is not insurmountable, and college courses often start from scratch.
  • Specific book recommendations are provided, including "Calculus: A Complete Course" by R A Adams and "Physics for Scientists and Engineers" by Serway & Jewitt, among others.
  • Some participants highlight the differences in educational systems between the U.S. and Sweden regarding prerequisites for college physics and calculus.
  • There is a discussion about the importance of dedication and the ability to learn quickly, with one participant asserting their commitment to studying extra hours to catch up.

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Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the necessity of prior coursework before entering college physics. While some advocate for completing prerequisites, others believe that starting from scratch in college is feasible.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the fast-paced nature of college courses and the assumption that students have prior knowledge, which may affect the original poster's preparation. There is also a noted difference in educational standards and expectations between different countries.

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I am new to these forums and I need some guidance. I am a senior in high school and I am interested in studying physics in college. I have always gotten high scores in the math sections of aptitude tests and I was fairly advanced until junior year. I had taken Pre-Calculus in tenth grade but problems at home caused me to leave school and it disturbed my progress. At this point, I haven't yet taken Calculus or Physics classes, but I was hoping some of you knew of reading material that I could use to teach myself some of it in advance.
I am not looking for books like The Elegant Universe (which I am currently reading and loving), but I am looking for self-teaching instructional books or texts that could really be applicable to my education.
Thank you in advance!
 
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If I understand you correctly, you haven't studied any maths or physics at all in high school because of personal problems?
 
Fearless said:
If I understand you correctly, you haven't studied any maths or physics at all in high school because of personal problems?


Well, it is complicated. I had to repeat Pre-Calculus my junior year and got discouraged somewhere along the path. I ended up taking a lot of electives courses (I attended an art school for my last two years) instead of pursuing math and science. It was a regrettable mistake on my part, but I am trying to make up for lost time.
 
Then take those courses and then apply? It's a good gap year in my opinon. You don't stand a chance if you haven't studied them somewhat at a fast pace. In other words, don't even think about physics if you don't have the pre-courses to college physics/engineering.
 
The standard physics track is built upon a student yet to take physics and calculus.

These subjects might be harder without a high school background, but its not that big a drawback
 
ekrim: You are kidding me? In sweden you must comply with a minimum standard, it's the high school equivalent to parts of the first and second calculus courses plus a lot of physics and a little chemistry.
 
Calculus and basic physics are usually done from scratch in the first year, but it will be very fast paced, and most lecturers will assume that you've seen it before.
 
Fearless said:
ekrim: You are kidding me? In sweden you must comply with a minimum standard, it's the high school equivalent to parts of the first and second calculus courses plus a lot of physics and a little chemistry.

In america that is not the case. Physics I is taught from scratch, learning vectors and forces in the first few weeks. Calculus I is the same. Some people even take precalculus their first semester.
 
dx said:
Calculus and basic physics are usually done from scratch in the first year, but it will be very fast paced, and most lecturers will assume that you've seen it before.

I am confident in my ability to learn quickly as well as my dedication to study extra hours to fully understand. The fact that most lecturers will assume I've seen it before is precisely why I am asking for specific books or textbooks that I could use over the summer to educate myself.

To Fearless: I can't take those classes now, I just graduated. If I am going to be convinced (by a stranger over the internet none the less) that I should forget about my interests and pursue something else because I am somewhat behind at the age of 18 then I would have to be completely lacking in perseverance (which I am not). I have in the last two years, although in a different direction, worked myself unbelievably hard. To give up now would be an absolute injustice. Again, I am simply asking for quality educational material that I could use in these few months before college.
 
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Dear, mr swashbucklord.

Ok, spare me your angst. Besides in europe we don't have your loose system where you can study anything in the first year and then all of a sudden go into physics, you must dedicate yourself to it at the very beginning.

Here are the books;

1. R A Adams, Calculus a complete course, used it under my first year.

2. For a basic university text on physics I propose this one, although I haven't used it myself, (You can at my university either go through the physics very detailed as a Chem Eng, or you can skip it and use this book);

Serway & Jewitt; Physics for Scientists and Engineers with Modern Physics, 6th edition, (2004)
 
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Ignoring Fearless rhetoric, I wouldn't worry to much.

If you want to get ahead, you might as well pre-study using the course textbooks that will be used for your next courses.

A common textbook for introduction physics that isn't very difficult is Halliday's Fundamental of Physics. Stewart's Calculus also isn't to shabby. Just read those, work through some problems and stay dedicated and you'll be fine! You're really not that far behind, so no worries!

You might want to pick up Schaum's outlines, they give you a decent overview of the topics, so they work well together with any textbook.
 

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