Preparing for Physics Undergrad: Books & Math

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The discussion centers on recommendations for textbooks and mathematical prerequisites for high school students preparing for undergraduate physics studies. Participants share their experiences with various texts and suggest additional resources across topics such as classical mechanics, electrodynamics, statistical physics, quantum mechanics, and string theory.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant lists several textbooks they have read or plan to read, seeking further suggestions for classical mechanics, electrodynamics, statistical physics, quantum field theory, elementary particles, and string theory.
  • Another participant recommends "An Introduction to Thermal Physics" by Schroeder for thermodynamics and statistical mechanics, while suggesting "Mathematical Methods in the Physical Sciences" by Boas for the necessary math background.
  • Some participants express differing opinions on the quality of specific textbooks, with one criticizing Halliday/Resnick/Walker and recommending Halliday/Resnick/Krane instead, while another suggests Klepner and Kolenkow for mechanics.
  • There is a debate about the order in which subjects should be studied, with some arguing that classical mechanics and electromagnetism should precede quantum mechanics.
  • One participant notes that Griffiths' book on quantum mechanics is useful for calculations but may not provide a deep physical understanding without prior knowledge of classical dynamics and E&M.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for a solid foundation in various mathematical topics, including ODEs, PDEs, and special functions, before tackling more advanced texts like Zee's on quantum field theory.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions on textbook quality and the sequence of study, indicating that there is no consensus on the best approach or resources. Multiple competing views remain regarding the recommended materials and study order.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various textbooks and their perceived rigor, but there is no agreement on which texts are definitively superior. The discussion reflects a diversity of experiences and preferences, highlighting the subjective nature of textbook selection and study approaches.

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I'm a high school student, and I want to learn as much as I can about physics before getting to college. It would be great if I could cover everything that the average physics undergrad student learns before going to a university. So far, I've read:

Fundamentals of Physics - Halliday/Resnick/Walker
Physics for Scientists of Engineers - Tipler/Mosca
Calculus - Anton
Linear Algebra - Bronson

And I'm reading:
Introduction to Quantum Mechanics - Griffiths
Elementary Differential Equations - Boyce/DiPrima

I have the following, but I haven't started them:
Classical Dynamics of Particles and Systems - Marion/Thornton
Introduction to Electrodynamics - Griffiths
Introduction to Elementary Particles - Griffiths
Quantum Field Theory in a Nutshell - Zee
A First Course in String Theory - Zettigli

Do you guys have any suggestions on textbooks to use for the following:
Classical Mechanics
Classical Electrodynamics
Statistical Physics
Quantum Field Theory
Elementary Particles
String Theory

Also, what math should I know before tackling each of these?

Thanks!
 
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For thermodynamics and statistical mechanics I used "An introduction to Thermal Physics" by Schroeder and thought it was quite good, although a little too un-rigorous for my liking. I don't know any other books on the subject. For Mechanics and Electrodynamics, Marion/Thorton and Griffiths should suffice, they are both excellent books in my opinion. Why not a book on special relativity? Good introductions are "Special Relativity" by French and "A traveler's guide to spacetime" by Moore. Alternatively, to cover Mechanics, E&M and Quantum you could read the Feynman lectures... can't go wrong with Feynman!
To gain a suitable math background, I would recommend "Mathematical Methods in the Physical Sciences" by Boas. This covers all the math that a physics undergraduate would typically encounter in a decent amount of detail (although extra reading in the subjects covered would be recommended)Cheers,
Nick
 
Is it just me, but I would do classical mechanics and electromagnetism (as well as differential equations) before QM?
 
halliday/resnick/walker is pretty bad. halliday/resnick/krane on the other hand is pretty good. calc books are pretty much all the same, so are linear algebra and diff eq books. marion thornton is shiet book though. get klepner and kolenkow for mechanics. other than that you should tack on a pde book and applied complex analysis. past that i don't know.
 
adartsesirhc said:
I'm a high school student, and I want to learn as much as I can about physics before getting to college. It would be great if I could cover everything that the average physics undergrad student learns before going to a university. So far, I've read:

Fundamentals of Physics - Halliday/Resnick/Walker
Physics for Scientists of Engineers - Tipler/Mosca
Calculus - Anton
Linear Algebra - Bronson

And I'm reading:
Introduction to Quantum Mechanics - Griffiths
Elementary Differential Equations - Boyce/DiPrima

I have the following, but I haven't started them:
Classical Dynamics of Particles and Systems - Marion/Thornton
Introduction to Electrodynamics - Griffiths
Introduction to Elementary Particles - Griffiths
Quantum Field Theory in a Nutshell - Zee
A First Course in String Theory - Zettigli

Do you guys have any suggestions on textbooks to use for the following:
Classical Mechanics
Classical Electrodynamics
Statistical Physics
Quantum Field Theory
Elementary Particles
String Theory

Also, what math should I know before tackling each of these?

Thanks!

Wow you in high school and you learned all that? Which grade?
 
Griffiths is great for learning how to calculate stuff in QM; surprisingly, it can be tackled before a course on classical dynamics or E&M. That said, unfortunately you won't take any physical understanding away from it. Only calculation techniques.

If you really want to learn QM, you're going to need a few different books. Griffiths won't prepare you for Zee, and reading Zee will be a waste of time without a solid QM foundation, and also requires knowing Lagrangian and Hamiltonian dynamics, special relativity, and a great deal of E&M cold.

(Not to mention ODEs, PDEs, special functions, Green's functions, Fourier transforms... Boas' book should be at the top of your list.)
 
qspeechc said:
Is it just me, but I would do classical mechanics and electromagnetism (as well as differential equations) before QM?

Ideally yes, they are are "classical subjects" which QM was formulated with.
 

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