Preparing for the GRE: Modern Physics Course

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The discussion revolves around the preparation for the GRE, specifically focusing on the Modern Physics course and the resources available for studying this subject. Participants share their experiences with different textbooks and their content, as well as their opinions on the adequacy of their current educational materials.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about what constitutes "Modern Physics" and its relevance to the GRE.
  • One participant suggests that Modern Physics typically includes topics such as relativity and basic quantum mechanics, along with applications in atomic, nuclear, and solid-state physics.
  • Several textbooks are recommended, including Taylor, Zafiriatos & Dubson, Eisberg & Resnick, and Tipler & Llewellyn, with varying opinions on their effectiveness.
  • One participant mentions that Griffiths' E&M covers relativity but questions its suitability for a first study of the topic.
  • Another participant shares their experience with "Physics of the Atom" by Wehr, Richards, and Adair, noting its affordability and usefulness despite its age.
  • Concerns are raised about the quality of the Young and Freeman textbook, with some participants finding its presentation overly simplistic or juvenile.
  • Humor is used by participants to express frustration with the layout and design of certain textbooks, particularly those that include excessive diagrams and boxes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best textbook for Modern Physics or the adequacy of their current materials. There are multiple competing views regarding the effectiveness of different resources and the overall quality of the educational curriculum.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the depth of coverage in various textbooks and their relevance to GRE preparation. There are also references to the limitations of certain educational materials used in their courses.

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Hello,

I am taking the GRE next fall and I have taken all of the core courses except a Modern Physics class. I am kind of confused as to what "Modern Physics" is but apparently it is tested on the GRE. Can someone recommend a book that will prepare me for the GRE? I like very much the Griffith's QM and EM textbooks, so if there is a similar Modern Physics book, that would be nice.
 
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A "Modern Physics" course usually covers relativity and basic QM and applications (atomic, nuclear, solid state, etc.).

For textbooks, try something like Taylor, Zafiriatos & Dubson (sophomore level), or Eisberg & Resnick (junior/senior level).
 
The book I used was Modern Physics by Tipler and Llewellyn. My professor said the book sucked, but yet he used it and he was actually a pretty bad teacher, so it could either mean the book is really good or really bad. :)

But Griffiths E&M covers relativity, doesn't it? I haven't gotten that far yet, but my glimpses of future chapters shows that it does.

I don't think there would be *much* for you to learn. I'd just borrow the book from your school's library instead of buying it.
 
So is Young and Freeman a bad physics book? It's the book my school uses and some of the problems are interesting but all the colors and diagrams make me feel like I am in preschool.

Not to mention they only have one small chapter on Relativity and one sentence on General Relativity. I'll check out the books you mentioned JTbell. I'm taking the class next year and want to make sure that when I graduate I remedy any inadequacies I may have that this mickey mouse university curriculum leaves me. Luckily though the Professors themselves are very respectable but I think they are pressured to use textbooks like this and Stewart's Calculus.
 
RocketSurgery said:
So is Young and Freeman a bad physics book? It's the book my school uses and some of the problems are interesting but all the colors and diagrams make me feel like I am in preschool.

Not to mention they only have one small chapter on Relativity and one sentence on General Relativity. I'll check out the books you mentioned JTbell. I'm taking the class next year and want to make sure that when I graduate I remedy any inadequacies I may have that this mickey mouse university curriculum leaves me. Luckily though the Professors themselves are very respectable but I think they are pressured to use textbooks like this and Stewart's Calculus.

That book is an introductory physics book designed primarily to teach mechanics, thermal, and E&M. Most preschoolers who use this text in their preschool courses have a hard time
 
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Taylor seems to be widely used for special relativity. It's a little odd, but does a good job of covering the bases. I'm pretty sure he has a GR book out there too, but I already had a copy of Hartle for that.

Poop-Loops said:
The book I used was Modern Physics by Tipler and Llewellyn. My professor said the book sucked,

It does a bit. At least, I wouldn't suggest using it for GRE prep. It might be good if you want a low-depth sampling of a large number of topics.

Poop-Loops said:
But Griffiths E&M covers relativity, doesn't it? I haven't gotten that far yet, but my glimpses of future chapters shows that it does.

Very briefly in chapter 12. It wouldn't be a very good choice for your first study of it.
 
ekrim said:
That book is an introductory physics book designed primarily to teach mechanics, thermal, and E&M. Most preschoolers who use this text in their preschool courses have a hard time

Haha good point. I was simply adding some sarcastic humor to my post though.:smile:
 
My modern class as an undergrad used "Physics of the Atom" by Wehr, Richards, and Adair. We used 4th edition, which was old at the time, but the professor really liked that particular book, and because that edition was out of print, the students could get it relatively cheaply so long as the supply existed. Bookstore hated him for it.

I now have two copies, as the supply dried up the price rose considerably. I keep one for my own reference, and one to loan out to advanced students.

I just checked. New, from Amazon, it is $182.80 (must be back in print, or it never really was out of print). But there are 22 used copies available from Amazon for as little as a few dollars. They must be priced low because the print date is so old (1984). It matters not--it is a great book. Snap up a cheap copy.

ETA: I should point out I have NOT taken the physics GRE, as my master's didn't require it. So I don't really know how well it prepares you for it.
 
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RocketSurgery said:
Haha good point. I was simply adding some sarcastic humor to my post though.:smile:

I do know what you mean about it feeling like a kids book though. Big colorful pictures and word problems with physics students just like me!

keeps me entertained though
 
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Haha yea. All the pictures and little boxes annoy me though. It makes whatever you learn seem complicated. I'm like okay let's learn about Newton's 2nd Law...

I turn to the page.

there's like a billion boxes pictures and diagrams. "Wait what which do you want me to, oh ok, wait check figure 1.22.44.6, hmmm wait a minute okay this graph is... crap what am I doing again?"

I prefer a simple layout with a simple diagram on the side and some text.

If your going to bloat my textbook with all these little boxes vista-style then at least give me a dang pop-up blocker.:rolleyes:
 

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