News Presidential Debate #3: Fireworks or Stale Bread?

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The final presidential debate between Barack Obama and John McCain sparked intense discussion, particularly regarding McCain's aggressive tactics and the effectiveness of negative campaigning. Observers noted that McCain appeared increasingly desperate, while Obama maintained composure, which many interpreted as a reflection of their respective leadership qualities. There was speculation on whether McCain would resort to personal attacks, with some arguing that such a strategy could backfire, especially given public fatigue with negativity and a desire for substantive discussions on issues like the economy.The debate featured the controversial figure "Joe the Plumber," whose concerns about Obama's tax plan became a focal point. However, it was revealed that Joe lacked a plumber's license and had financial issues, raising questions about his credibility. McCain's reliance on Joe's narrative was criticized, with some suggesting it highlighted a disconnect with voters' realities. Overall, the debate was characterized by a perception that Obama outperformed McCain, leading to predictions of a widening gap in support for Obama as the election approached.
  • #121
Okay, even if it is legit, and at this point we have no way to konw, Obama had one bad day out of 700. For Palin, forming complete sentences seems to be a problem every day. Also, OBama was interrupted by the crowd. That seemed to be the problem.

Obama is particularly noted for his elegance, and we have had 22 debates and countless interviews to confirm this. In fact, Senator McCain and many Republicans have said the same. Are you calling them all liars?

To point to one example is silly. However, if your source of news is Fox or Rush, then you wouldn't have any way to know this.
 
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  • #122
B. Elliott said:
What's doctored about it? I watched the original clip on the news after it happened.
If it is undoctored where is the noise from the crowd? In your snip Obama actually comments that he can't hear himself over the noise and yet we hear nothing. There are also several places where it sounds like the tape was looped and others where pieces had been snipped out.

Please provide a source for the news program you claim to have heard it on.
 
  • #123
Art said:
If it is undoctored where is the noise from the crowd? In your snip Obama actually comments that he can't hear himself over the noise and yet we hear nothing. There are also several places where it sounds like the tape was looped and others where pieces had been snipped out.

Please provide a source for the news program you claim to have heard it on.
I can heard the crowd in the background, but the volume is suppressed. Perhaps the crowd noise is electronically suppressed.

He also finishes the part of the talk with a statement that he had not slept much in 48 hrs - and he sounded like it.
 
  • #124
Astronuc said:
I can heard the crowd in the background, but the volume is suppressed. Perhaps the crowd noise is electronically suppressed.

He also finishes the part of the talk with a statement that he had not slept much in 48 hrs - and he sounded like it.

I've seen it before on U-Tube as Obama without teleprompter. That seems like the original soundtrack. It was from the Democratic Primaries at a Town Hall, which is why McCain was wetting his britches to have 10 Town Hall meetings, hoping to get Obama stressed out to make a gaffe. I think the continued promotion of it is a sign of desperation. Just like the nasty Robocalls the Republicans have started trying to claim that Obama is a terrorist. It's the politics of division and that John McCain has returned to it makes him the more despicable in my mind, despite his recent softening image on the talk circuit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTYFAU
 
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  • #125
Ivan Seeking said:
Are you calling them all liars?

Wow, I don't know where anyone could have even remotely interpreted that as calling someone as a liar. I honestly don't know how to respond to that.

Art said:
If it is undoctored where is the noise from the crowd? In your snip Obama actually comments that he can't hear himself over the noise and yet we hear nothing. There are also several places where it sounds like the tape was looped and others where pieces had been snipped out.

Please provide a source for the news program you claim to have heard it on.

I've searched CNN and a few other websites to see if they still have a copy of the clip, but I can't find any. I remember it being play at least a few times over a few days period because myself and some friends had a good laugh over it. I'll keep searching though.

As far as it being doctored or the crowd being electronically suppressed, I see no need for it to be. You can easily hear them when they start laughing a couple of points. If you actually watch the crowd there's a couple of people in particular that seem to keep spouting things out. Hardly, 'the entire crowd'. If you look closely, it's hard to find anyone who's saying anything at all.

Anyone who has used one of those types of microphones, as I have, knows that they're designed to only pick up sounds which are emitted directly into them. It's not a matter of someone intent on deceit. It's a matter of design with the microphone. When the crowd actually gains enough volume to be picked up, you can hear them (the laughter).

I guess you guys don't do much Karaoke?
 
  • #126
Besides not being a plumber, and not being a taxpayer, and not really being in the market for the business, and the business not bringing in $250,000 in profits, his name isn't even Joe. It's Sam.
 
  • #127
jimmysnyder said:
Besides not being a plumber, and not being a taxpayer, and not really being in the market for the business, and the business not bringing in $250,000 in profits, his name isn't even Joe. It's Sam.


Jim,

Sam the plumber is a bit passe.

I ran the numbers through my head yesterday at work. (Obama needs to hire an idiot savant...)

Obama's tax increase would have cost Sam $300 per $10,000.

In three years, Sam would have taken home, after taxes, more than I've taken home in 35 years.

Frack Joe, or Sam, the damn republican plant, non-plumber.

If he were a real plumber, making real plumber wages, he'd not be living in a little red-neck house like mine.
 
  • #128
I give Sen. O a complete pass for that town hall event - its clear he was tired, was constantly being interrupted by some over enthusiastic fanboy, yet still managed to explain he was tired, retain some humor, and catch himself more or less when he stumbled rather than just going completely incoherent as the current Pres. has been known to do.
 
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  • #130
Another blunder McCain has to dig out from under, his "joe the plumber' debacle. This is good for a chuckle. A good lesson, you might want to make sure the person you center your debate around isn't made up.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20081017/pl_ynews/ynews_pl97
 
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