Pressure Drop vs Velocity in a Rectangular Pipe

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the modeling of pressure drop versus velocity in a rectangular pipe, specifically in the context of a fuel cell application using Comsol software. Participants explore the expected relationship between pressure drop and fluid velocity, addressing issues related to modeling parameters and results.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their modeling setup in Comsol, noting that the expected quadratic relationship between pressure drop and velocity is not being achieved, resulting in an almost linear graph.
  • Another participant questions whether frictional losses and heat transfer are being considered in the model, and raises the point that an increase in velocity typically leads to a decrease in static pressure.
  • A third participant highlights the significance of viscous effects due to the small diameter of the channel and suggests that more detailed information about boundary conditions and grid resolution is necessary for further analysis.
  • A fourth participant recommends comparing the results to pressure drop calculations for a straight tube of a similar diameter using an online calculator to gain additional insights.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the factors influencing the pressure drop and velocity relationship, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a consensus on the underlying issues affecting the model's output.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential missing assumptions regarding fluid properties (compressible vs. incompressible), boundary conditions, and the impact of viscous effects that may not be fully resolved in the current modeling approach.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in fluid dynamics modeling, particularly in the context of fuel cells or similar applications, may find this discussion relevant.

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Hi guys

I am currently using Comsol to model a single rectangular channel, a typical one found in a fuel cell (with symmetry boundary). Dimension of the inlet and outlet area is of the order 10e-3 and the length of the pipe is 0.1 m.

I am having difficulty getting the expected result. The pressure drop vs velocity of fluid flow should be a curve that can be mapped by a second order quadratic equation (as the velocity increases, the pressure increases with increasing rate) But no matter how I try I keep getting a relationship that is close to linear, and only very slightly curved.

Here's what I've done, tried different solvers, played around with the meshing, changed the viscosity, but the result is the same, an almost linear graph, which does not fit the expectation.

Can anyone who is familiar with Comsol offer any advice regards to this problem? Thanks in advance.
 
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Are you taking frictional losses into account? are you taking heat transfer into account? Are you modelling it as a compressible or incompressible substance? Where did you get the expected result from?

if your velocity increases, your static pressure decreases.
 
With such a small diameter, you're going to see a lot of viscous effects, as long as your grid can resolve them.

Before anything can be determined, you'll need to provide some more information such as exact boundary conditions, information on the grid, etc, etc.
 
Try comparing to the pressure drop in a straight tube with a 1-mm diameter using an online calculator such as
http://www.pipeflowcalculations.com/pressuredrop/index.htm
(click on calculator in lower left corner.
 
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