Pressure gradient along a streamline using CV analysis

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The discussion centers around applying control volume (CV) analysis to derive the relationship between pressure gradient and velocity gradient along a streamline in fluid dynamics. The original poster presents a specific equation involving the pressure gradient and velocity, seeking clarification on an unexpected factor in their result.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the setup of the control volume and the conditions applied to the fluid element. There is a focus on the mathematical manipulation of terms related to pressure and velocity. The original poster questions the appearance of a factor of 2 in their derived equation, which differs from the expected result.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants reviewing the original poster's work and questioning the steps taken in the derivation. There is acknowledgment of a potential error in the manipulation of terms, but no consensus has been reached on the resolution of the issue.

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Participants note the importance of reviewing LaTeX formatting in posts, as it affects the clarity of the mathematical expressions presented. The original poster expresses concern about the accuracy of their derivation and seeks guidance on correcting their approach.

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Homework Statement


Use a CV analysis to show that an element of fluid along a streamline gives
\[\partial p/\partial x=-\rho u\partial u/\partial x\]

Homework Equations


\[\sum F=\oint_{CS}^{ } \rho \overrightarrow{V}(\overrightarrow{V_{rel}}\cdot \overrightarrow{n})\]

The Attempt at a Solution


Using a CS with following conditions on left side: u and p.
Following conditions on right side of the element: \[u+\partial u/\partial x\Delta x] and \[p+\partial p/\partial x\Delta x]

Just looking at it per unit width inside the paper: (Neglecting small factors)
\[(p-(p+\partial p/\partial x\Delta x))\Delta y=\rho ((u+\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}\Delta x)^{2}-u^{2})\Delta y=\rho (u^{2}-u^{2}+2u\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}\Delta x))\Delta y\]
This gives:
\[\frac{\partial p}{\partial x}=-2\rho u\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}\]

I get the answer with a factor 2, which I am not supposed to get. What do I do wrong?
 
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Bohr1227 said:

Homework Statement


Use a CV analysis to show that an element of fluid along a streamline gives
\[\partial p/\partial x=-\rho u\partial u/\partial x\]

Homework Equations


\[\sum F=\oint_{CS}^{ } \rho \overrightarrow{V}(\overrightarrow{V_{rel}}\cdot \overrightarrow{n})\]

The Attempt at a Solution


Using a CS with following conditions on left side: u and p.
Following conditions on right side of the element: \[u+\partial u/\partial x\Delta x] and \[p+\partial p/\partial x\Delta x]

Just looking at it per unit width inside the paper: (Neglecting small factors)
\[(p-(p+\partial p/\partial x\Delta x))\Delta y=\rho ((u+\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}\Delta x)^{2}-u^{2})\Delta y=\rho (u^{2}-u^{2}+2u\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}\Delta x))\Delta y\]
This gives:
\[\frac{\partial p}{\partial x}=-2\rho u\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}\]

I get the answer with a factor 2, which I am not supposed to get. What do I do wrong?
Did you review this before you posted it to make sure that the LaTex displayed properly?
 
Sorry about the first post, I didn't review the latex, and apparently it is not possible to edit it...so here is the edited version:

1. Homework Statement

Use a CV analysis to show that an element of fluid along a streamline gives
\frac{\partial p}{\partial x}=-\rho u\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}

Homework Equations


\sum F=\oint_{CS}^{ } \rho \overrightarrow{V}(\overrightarrow{V_{rel}}\cdot \overrightarrow{n})

The Attempt at a Solution


Using a CS with following conditions on left side: u and p.
Following conditions on right side of the element: u+\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}\Delta x and p+\frac{\partial p}{\partial x}\Delta x

Just looking at it per unit width inside the paper: (Neglecting small factors because \Delta x\rightarrow 0)
(p-(p+\partial p/\partial x\Delta x))\Delta y=\rho ((u+\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}\Delta x)^{2}-u^{2})\Delta y=\rho (u^{2}-u^{2}+2u\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}\Delta x))\Delta y
This gives:
\frac{\partial p}{\partial x}=-2\rho u\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}I get the answer with a factor 2, which I am not supposed to get. What do I do wrong?
 
Chestermiller said:
Did you review this before you posted it to make sure that the LaTex displayed properly?
You are right, I did not review it. I'm sorry, but it is fixed now.

Thank you!
 
Bohr1227 said:
Sorry about the first post, I didn't review the latex, and apparently it is not possible to edit it...so here is the edited version:

1. Homework Statement

Use a CV analysis to show that an element of fluid along a streamline gives
\frac{\partial p}{\partial x}=-\rho u\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}

Homework Equations


\sum F=\oint_{CS}^{ } \rho \overrightarrow{V}(\overrightarrow{V_{rel}}\cdot \overrightarrow{n})

The Attempt at a Solution


Using a CS with following conditions on left side: u and p.
Following conditions on right side of the element: u+\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}\Delta x and p+\frac{\partial p}{\partial x}\Delta x

Just looking at it per unit width inside the paper: (Neglecting small factors because \Delta x\rightarrow 0)
(p-(p+\partial p/\partial x\Delta x))\Delta y=\rho ((u+\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}\Delta x)^{2}-u^{2})\Delta y=\rho (u^{2}-u^{2}+2u\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}\Delta x))\Delta y
This gives:
\frac{\partial p}{\partial x}=-2\rho u\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}I get the answer with a factor 2, which I am not supposed to get. What do I do wrong?
I don't see how you get the right hand side of this equation:
(p-(p+\partial p/\partial x\Delta x))\Delta y=\rho ((u+\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}\Delta x)^{2}-u^{2})\Delta y=\rho (u^{2}-u^{2}+2u\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}\Delta x))\Delta y
 

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