Pressure in the corners of a box

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of pressure in a pressurized cube, specifically whether the pressure is greater at the edges and corners compared to the rest of the box. Participants explore the implications of molecular interactions and the concept of uniform pressure within a confined volume.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if the force from pressure is larger at the edges and corners due to molecular interactions, suggesting that molecules bouncing off two walls might increase pressure at those points.
  • Another participant clarifies that pressure is defined as force per unit area and emphasizes that this is distinct from the total force on a face of the box.
  • A different viewpoint argues that if pressure were higher at the corners, it would lead to gas flow into the box, contradicting the assumption of equilibrium, thus suggesting that pressure must be uniform throughout the box.
  • Another participant adds that molecules also bounce off each other in random directions, which may influence pressure distribution.
  • One participant asserts that uniform pressure in a volume means equal pressure at all points, arguing that any variation contradicts the definition of equal pressure, while noting that structural weaknesses at edges and corners could lead to failure under high pressure.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether pressure can vary at the edges and corners of the box. Some argue for uniform pressure throughout, while others suggest that molecular behavior could lead to localized increases in pressure. The discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference concepts of equilibrium and molecular dynamics, but there are no specific mathematical formulations or definitions provided to support their claims. The discussion does not resolve the implications of pressure distribution in relation to structural integrity.

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I have a fairly simple physics question, which I probably should know, but somehow I have never encountered it before.

Suppose you have a pressurized cube, filled to a high uniform pressure P. Will the force from the pressure be larger at the edges and corners of the box?

At the corner, molecules can bounce off both sides, which seems like it would make pressure rise. Macroscopically, if each wall has uniform pressure on it, it seems that the intersection of the faces would experience a force greater by sqrt2, since it has two equal, orthogonal components. However, this seems to contradict the whole idea of "uniform pressure."

Can anyone enlighten me on this? Thanks!
 
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You have force on the edge. You have the total of the force on one face. And then you have pressure, which is dimensionally force / area, which is not the same as pressure.
 
oobgular said:
t the corner, molecules can bounce off both sides, which seems like it would make pressure rise.
It makes no essential difference to a parcel of air whether it is bounded by a box wall or by another parcel of air.

If there were an equilibrium and if the pressure within a parcel of air near the corner were greater than the pressure elsewhere in the box then the parcel near the corner would expand into the box. You would have a net flow of gas. But that contradicts the equilibrium stipulation. This is a proof by contradiction that the pressure in the corners must be equal to the pressure in the bulk of the box.
 
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Another thing about molecules bouncing off "both sides". The molecules also bounce off each other in random directions.
 
Uniform/equal pressure in any volume of any size/shape bound within any object or surrounded by any other volume(s) is/are uniform/equal pressure at any/all points within said volume. To say that there would be any kind of difference in pressure of any kind at any point within that volume contradicts the very concept of "equal pressure", much less, it's definition.

A pressurized box may, at high pressures, burst or come apart at its edges and corners, but this isn't an effect of the pressure being higher in those areas, it's an effect of those areas being weaker than the other areas of its perimeter.
 

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