Understanding pressure with barometer as example

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding the principles of pressure as demonstrated by a barometer and the behavior of liquids in pipettes. Participants explore the mechanics of how mercury behaves in a barometer and the conditions under which liquids remain suspended in tubes when removed from their containers.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the barometer's operation, suggesting that the mercury rises to 760 mm due to the balance of atmospheric pressure and the weight of the mercury.
  • Another participant proposes an experiment using water instead of mercury to test the principles discussed.
  • Questions are raised about whether mercury would remain in the tube if removed from the dish, given that atmospheric pressure has not changed.
  • Concerns are expressed about the stability of the mercury column if the tube is tilted, suggesting that the pipette design may mitigate this issue.
  • Surface tension and gravity are introduced as additional forces affecting the behavior of liquids in pipettes, with a participant noting that these forces play a crucial role in whether the liquid stays suspended.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the behavior of mercury when the tube is removed from the dish, with various viewpoints and considerations presented regarding pressure, stability, and the role of surface tension.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the pressure at different points in the system, including the top of the mercury column and the air pressure acting on the liquid surfaces, but do not resolve the implications of these pressures on the behavior of the mercury or water in the tube.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying fluid mechanics, atmospheric pressure, or the principles of barometers and pipettes in physics and engineering contexts.

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In a barometer where a tube filled with mercury is inverted in dish filled with mercury, the mercury in the tube is suspended/rises to 760 mm mark. I read this is due to pressure of weight of mercury being equal to pressure of atmosphere.

My question is that, if i were to take the tube out of dish, will the mercury still stay in as atmosphere pressure has not changed.
Whats the physics behind pipettes in which the liquid stays suspended and does not flow out even when its removed from the dish?

For this, my view of pressure is that in barometer, mercury molecules exposed to surface are under force of atmosphere and mercury molecules exert same force back and consequently have same pressure through out mercury in dish. When the tube containing mercury is put in dish, the mercury in tube applies force to mercury in dish and force of mercury in tube is greater. Thus, mercury flows out until its mass decreases enough so that force of mercury in tube equals that of mercury in dish. And this seems to happen when mercury is 760 mm high in tube at atmospheric pressure.

If my microscopic view is flawed, please correct it. And answer my question according to correct microscopic view of pressure.
 
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Try the experiment yourself.
BUT use something less volatile than mercury ... say water in a tube, in a dish of water

My question is that, if i were to take the tube out of dish, will the mercury still stay in as atmosphere pressure has not changed.
Whats the physics behind pipettes in which the liquid stays suspended and does not flow out even when its removed from the dish?

Ahhh but will it really ?
pull the tube up out of the dish of water and see what happens
Consider the airpressure on the surface of the dish of liquid, and what effect it has on the column of liquid in the tube :)

Dave
 
You need to consider what the pressure is at the top surface of the mercury column in the barometer and on the top surface of the water in the pipette.
 
k so pressure on surface of dish would be same as atmospheric pressure 1 atm. pressure in tube at top would be 0 as its vacuum. So mercury stays suspended. But if i take the tube filled with mercury out of dish, pressure in tube at top will still be 0 and pressure at opening of tube (since its in contact with air) will be 1 atm. so shouldn't mercury still stay in and not flow out when i take the tube out of dish?
 
Theoretically yes. But it may be unstable if you tilt the tube slightly off vertical. The pipette works better in this regard, even though there isn't a perfect vacuum above the liquid.
 
There are two other forces you need to consider: surface tension (which is what keeps the liquid in the pipette) and gravity (which is what will make the mecury fall out of the tube).
 
Thanks a Lot every one!
 

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