Pressure of an electron gas at 0K

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The discussion centers on the pressure exerted by a Fermi electron gas at absolute zero (0K), exploring the relationship between this pressure and electron concentration. Participants delve into theoretical aspects, derivations, and implications of electron degeneracy pressure, while addressing the nature of electron behavior in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the quantitative relationship between pressure and electron concentration in a Fermi gas at 0K, referencing Pauli's exclusion principle.
  • Another participant confirms the focus on deriving electron degeneracy pressure.
  • A question is raised regarding the interpretation of electrons at 0K, specifically whether they are stationary or packed, and the implications of Coulomb repulsion.
  • A participant suggests a method for deriving pressure by calculating the energy of electrons in a quantum mechanical "particle in a box" framework, emphasizing the role of kinetic energy even at 0K.
  • One participant shares their success in deriving the electron gas pressure as a function of electron concentration using the proposed approach.
  • A participant provides a link to their derivation and invites feedback, noting that their heuristic description simplifies the physics while acknowledging it may not yield precise results.
  • Another participant elaborates on the derivation process, contrasting their approximate method with a more exact approach, highlighting differences in the resulting pressure calculations.
  • Discussion includes a comparison of energy states and the implications for ground state energy in a larger volume context, suggesting a reduction in energy when electrons are allowed to spread out.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the relevance of electron degeneracy pressure and the methods to derive it, but there are differing views on the specifics of the calculations and interpretations of the physical implications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact relationships and outcomes of the proposed methods.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about electron behavior at 0K, the dependence on definitions of pressure and energy density, and the unresolved nature of the mathematical steps involved in the derivations.

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What is the pressure exerted by a Fermi electron gas at 0K? I know that from Pauli's exclusion principle there must be a non zero pressure even at 0K, but what is the quantitative relation between this pressure and the electron concentration? How do I go about to derive this?
 
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You mean you want to derive the Electron Degeneracy Pressure?
 
By electron gas at 0K, does one infer the electrons are not moving, and there positive charges to neutralize, or are the electons packed (which doesn't seem like much of a gas)?

I would expect a fair amount of coulomb repulsion on whatever unit cell.

Pressure is also equivalent to energy density.
 
You are talking about electron degeneracy pressure. What you do is, use the density to determine the volume of the "box" each electron occupies (1/density). Now do a quantum mechanical "particle in a box" calculation to find the energy of that electron. Now take the derivative with respect to volume of the energy-- that's the pressure.

Physically, what is happening here is that even at 0K, the electron wave function has a second derivative so that it can stay inside the box of volume allowed to each electron (to keep them from infringing on the states of the other Fermions). That second derivative (a la Schroedinger) implies the presence of kinetic energy, even at 0K. The presence of kinetic energy means there is momentum flux, and where there's momentum flux, there's pressure.
 
Thanks Ken G.. I have been able to find the electron gas pressure as a function of the electron concentration using the approach tht u mentioned.
 
I'm assuming this isn't homework =)
Have a look at my derivation here: http://www.physics.thetangentbundle.net/wiki/Statistical_mechanics/Fermi_gas
and let me know if anything needs clarification.
 
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Have a look at my derivation here: http://www.physics.thetangentbundle.net/wiki/Statistical_mechanics/Fermi_gas
and let me know if anything needs clarification.
Yes, this is the exact approach, involving a lengthy yet suitably elegant calculation that even includes arbitrary (half-integer) spins. To be clear, my description above is heuristic, intended to approximate the physics simply and with the right scalings, more so than getting an accurate answer. The approximate way can almost be done in your head if you know the exact particle-in-the-box solution for a 1/density sized box, and you get that the pressure will come out roughly 2/3 of the density times the Fermi energy, whereas lbrits' exact approach comes out 2/5 of the density times the Fermi energy. So I'm about 5/3 high, expressly because my way does not involve ever calculating a Fermi energy. You get what you pay for.

Physically, what this all means is you get about a 40% reduction in the ground state energy if you let all the electrons spread over the whole volume (say the whole white dwarf star), but stack them to higher and higher energies as the lower states fill, rather than just have them all be excited to identical energies in the ground state of their own little boxes. That comparison makes for a cute problem for anyone bored with the standard degeneracy pressure fare!
 
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