Pressure question: Weight of a car calculated from tyre contact patch area

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The discussion revolves around calculating the weight of a car using two different methods based on tire contact patch area and pressure. Method 1 calculates the total weight as 200N by summing the force from each tire, while Method 2 arrives at 800N by multiplying total pressure by total area. Participants question the validity of these methods and explore the principles of pressure, particularly whether pressure is consistent across individual tires and the entire vehicle. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding that pressure is force per unit area, and adding tires increases both force and area, maintaining consistent pressure. Ultimately, the principles of Pascal's law and the nature of pressure distribution are central to resolving the discrepancies in the calculations.
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Homework Statement
Each tyre of a car exerts a pressure of 5N/cm2 . the area of each tyre in contact with the ground is 10cm2. what is the weight of the car?
Relevant Equations
P=F/A
I tried 2 ways to solve it but both yielded different answers. i would like to know which is correct and why the other is wrong. thank you.

method 1: consider force of each tyre. 5 x 10 = F = 50N. so 4 tyres = 200N = weight

method 2: consider the whole car, total pressure = 4x5 = 20. total area = 4x10 = 40. so total weight = P x A = 20 x 40 = 800N.
 
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total pressure = 4x5 = 20
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Using what rule or physical principle?
 
idk, is it wrong?
or is pressure across one wheel = pressure across the whole car? why? what principle is this? pascal's law?
so total pressure = total Force (weight) / total area
pressure across 1 wheel = weight / 4 x 10
5 x 40 = weight = 200 N ?
 
shirozack said:
idk, is it wrong?
or is pressure across one wheel = pressure across the whole car? why? what principle is this? pascal's law?
so total pressure = total Force (weight) / total area
pressure across 1 wheel = weight / 4 x 10
5 x 40 = weight = 200 N ?
What happens if you consider the ##10cm^2## of one tyre's footprint as composed of ten ##1cm^2## areas side by side? The pressure above each is still ##5N/cm^2##. Does that add up to ##50N/cm^2##?

Pressure is force per unit area. Bringing in additional tyres increases the total force but also increases the total area. What you did was like saying that ten cars moving at 30kph equates to one moving at 300kph.
 
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