Pressure question: Weight of a car calculated from tyre contact patch area

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The discussion revolves around calculating the weight of a car based on the pressure exerted by its tires and the area of the tire contact patches. Participants are exploring the relationship between pressure, force, and area in the context of physics principles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • The original poster attempts two methods to calculate the weight of the car, leading to different results. Some participants question the validity of the pressure calculations and whether pressure is consistent across the tires and the entire car. There is also a discussion about the implications of Pascal's law in this context.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively questioning the assumptions made in the calculations and exploring the principles of pressure and force. There is a recognition of differing interpretations of how pressure relates to the total weight and area, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the application of pressure principles, particularly whether the pressure across individual tires can be equated to the pressure across the entire car. The discussion includes considerations of how the area of contact patches affects the overall calculations.

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Homework Statement
Each tyre of a car exerts a pressure of 5N/cm2 . the area of each tyre in contact with the ground is 10cm2. what is the weight of the car?
Relevant Equations
P=F/A
I tried 2 ways to solve it but both yielded different answers. i would like to know which is correct and why the other is wrong. thank you.

method 1: consider force of each tyre. 5 x 10 = F = 50N. so 4 tyres = 200N = weight

method 2: consider the whole car, total pressure = 4x5 = 20. total area = 4x10 = 40. so total weight = P x A = 20 x 40 = 800N.
 
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total pressure = 4x5 = 20
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Using what rule or physical principle?
 
idk, is it wrong?
or is pressure across one wheel = pressure across the whole car? why? what principle is this? pascal's law?
so total pressure = total Force (weight) / total area
pressure across 1 wheel = weight / 4 x 10
5 x 40 = weight = 200 N ?
 
shirozack said:
idk, is it wrong?
or is pressure across one wheel = pressure across the whole car? why? what principle is this? pascal's law?
so total pressure = total Force (weight) / total area
pressure across 1 wheel = weight / 4 x 10
5 x 40 = weight = 200 N ?
What happens if you consider the ##10cm^2## of one tyre's footprint as composed of ten ##1cm^2## areas side by side? The pressure above each is still ##5N/cm^2##. Does that add up to ##50N/cm^2##?

Pressure is force per unit area. Bringing in additional tyres increases the total force but also increases the total area. What you did was like saying that ten cars moving at 30kph equates to one moving at 300kph.
 
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