Boyle's law pressure calculation

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving Boyle's law and pressure calculations related to an inflated pillow subjected to an external weight. The original poster presents a scenario where a pillow is inflated to a certain pressure and then a weight is placed on it, prompting questions about the resulting pressure increase within the pillow.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the pressure increase by applying Newton's laws and pressure formulas, while questioning how to relate the calculated pressure back to the initial and final pressures. Some participants question the nature of the problem, seeking clarification on whether it is a homework assignment or a project-related inquiry.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the complexities of the problem, including the geometry of the pillow and the forces involved. There is recognition of the challenges posed by the shape and curvature of the pillow, as well as the need to consider additional forces acting on it.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the geometry depicted in the original post may not accurately represent the real situation, and there are concerns about the assumptions made regarding the forces acting on the pillow.

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Homework Statement



An pillow is inflated with an pressure of let's say 20 hPa. Afterwards we place a weight of 10 Kg on the pillow, what is the pressure increase within the pillow?

P athmosthere = 1013 hPa
P cushion = 1013 + 20 = 1033 hPa
m = 10 Kg
g = 9.81 m/s^2

Amount of air in the pillow stays the same

Homework Equations


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Boyle's law: P1 * V1 = P2 * V2
Gravitational force: F = m * g
Pressure: P = F / A

The Attempt at a Solution

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The added weight creates a force F. This creates an apposing force within the pillow (Newton's third law) which is devided over the enitre inner surface of the pillow. Therefore P = F / A = m * g / A.

Lets assume that the surface area of the pillow is equal to 300 cm^2. P = (10 * 9.81) / 0.03 = 3270

Would this be right? If so, how do I translate this 3270 back to the pressure difference between P2 ane P3?
 

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Is this an actual homework problem? Is the geometry exactly as you have shown it in the figure?
 
Chestermiller said:
Is this an actual homework problem? Is the geometry exactly as you have shown it in the figure?

No, this is a problem I'm trying to answer for a project. The geometry is not exactly as it is shown in the picture, i just made it to substantiate my explanation.
 
Daan van Driel said:
No, this is a problem I'm trying to answer for a project. The geometry is not exactly as it is shown in the picture, i just made it to substantiate my explanation.
This is a pretty complicated problem, since the shape and curvature of your surface changes. You also omitted the force on the other side of the cushion required to hold it in place. It might be possible to model this more easily if the cushion were sandwiched between two infinite flat surfaces, but that too would be somewhat complicated. If the outer boundary of the cushion were considered inextensible, then pressing it between flat surfaces (or any other surfaces for that matter) would cause the boundary to buckle and form folds.
 

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