Pressures on fluids of mercury and water

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between pressures in a fluid system involving mercury and water, specifically addressing the equation P3 - P1 = Pb - Pa. Participants are exploring the implications of this equation in the context of fluid statics and the behavior of communicating vessels.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are questioning the connection between the pressures P3, P1, Pb, and Pa, particularly in relation to the heights of the fluid columns. Some are considering the implications of the mercury being stationary and the forces acting on it.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants offering insights into the conditions under which the pressure relationship holds true. There is recognition that the heights of the water columns play a crucial role in determining the validity of the equation, and some participants are suggesting that additional information about these heights is necessary for a complete understanding.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of explicit information regarding the heights of the water columns (h1 and h2), which is central to the discussion. The original poster references the law of communicating vessels, but there is uncertainty about its application in this specific scenario.

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Can someone please explain to me why P3-P1=Pb-Pa?
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thank you
 
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The mercury is not moving. What does that say about the net force acting on the mercury in the horizontal part of the tube? What does that say about the sum of all the pressures at that point?

The force on a section of the mercury in the horizontal part of the tube is due to: gravity and P1 and P3. How is the net gravitational force related to the difference in height of the two columns?

AM
 


The forces are zero.
I know how to claculate Pb-Pa , but I don't know how it is connected with P3-P1 since the heights are different.
 


In looking at this again, Pa-Pb = P3-P1 only if the heights of water above a and b are the same. It depends on the difference in height of water between the right and left sides. Let h1 be the height of water at b and h2 the height of water at a. Pa and Pb are the downward pressures at a and b.

P_b =P_3 + \rho_wgh_1P_a =P_1 + \rho_wgh_2

Subtracting:

P_a - P_b = P_1 - P_3 +\rho_wg(h_2-h_1)AM
 
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In the question I have here , it doesn't say anything about h2 and h1. it says that Pb-Pa=P3-P1 thanks to the Communicating_vessels law.But I don't understand why.
 


Cosmossos said:
In the question I have here , it doesn't say anything about h2 and h1. it says that Pb-Pa=P3-P1 thanks to the Communicating_vessels law.But I don't understand why.
The law of communicating vessels is based on P3 and P1 being equal. That is not the case here. You will need to know the height of water above a and b. For example if there was no water above a, Pa=P1. But Pb would not be equal to P3. So Pb-Pa is not equal to P3-P1.

AM
 

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