Price for the cheapest diesel engine?

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The discussion revolves around the pricing of diesel engines, particularly those used for applications like irrigation pumps, and comparisons with other energy sources such as wind turbines. Participants are exploring the cost per kilowatt or horsepower for various types of engines and their applications.

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  • Some participants inquire about the price per kilowatt or horsepower for simple, cheap diesel engines in the range of 1/2 MW to 1 MW.
  • One participant mentions that while there are few cheap diesel engines available, second-hand options might exist, requiring research with vendors.
  • Another participant shares a specific example of a 730 hp diesel engine priced at approximately $65,000, but speculates that a simpler engine for pumping water could cost significantly less.
  • There is a discussion about the cost structure of diesel engines versus wind turbines, noting that the generator component of a diesel-generator set is a significant cost, and that wind turbine installations also involve substantial additional costs beyond the turbine itself.
  • A participant references the levelized cost of electricity (LCOE) for various energy sources, including diesel engines, providing a comparative framework for understanding costs.

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Participants express varying opinions on the pricing of diesel engines and their comparison to wind turbines, with no consensus reached on specific costs or the cheapest options available.

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Participants acknowledge the complexities involved in pricing, including the distinction between the cost of the engine itself and the total installation costs for different energy sources. There are also references to specific pricing data that may be outdated.

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What is the price per kilowatt or hp for the simplest, cheapest diesel engine, such as ones used for powering irrigation pumps? Say one of 1/2 MW or 1 MW.

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Sven Andersson said:
What is the price per kilowatt or hp for the simplest, cheapest diesel engine, such as ones used for powering irrigation pumps? Say one of 1/2 MW or 1 MW.

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In that power range, there are few "cheap" diesel engines. You might find some bargains on the second-hand market, but you'll have to do research with vendors who handle used engines.

http://www.wpowerproducts.com/All-Engines-Engines-2-c-23.html
 
I want this info to compare wind turbines with diesel engines. I'm not going to actually buy one! In what power range do one find the cheapest diesel engines? Is a propane engine cheaper? Or gas turbine?

I e-mailed Scania and a 730 hp diesel engine that powers a truck costs 550,000 crowns=$65,000.

However I suspect that a simple cheap engine that sits on the ground and pumps water or drives a electric generator costs 1/3 of that or less. Am I right?
 
Sven Andersson said:
I want this info to compare wind turbines with diesel engines. I'm not going to actually buy one! In what power range do one find the cheapest diesel engines? Is a propane engine cheaper? Or gas turbine?

I e-mailed Scania and a 730 hp diesel engine that powers a truck costs 550,000 crowns=$65,000.

However I suspect that a simple cheap engine that sits on the ground and pumps water or drives a electric generator costs 1/3 of that or less. Am I right?
The cost of a diesel engine as a prime mover is only a fraction of the cost of a diesel-generator set. The generator part takes some significant coin to purchase, even if second hand.

The generator part of the typical wind turbine installation is also only a small part of the total price of the installation. The mast, the foundations, the blades, and the connections are all significant cost items.

Even figures for the installation costs of wind turbines in the megawatt range provided by the industry show a significant price premium for the turbine over a conventional diesel-generator:

http://www.windustry.org/how_much_do_wind_turbines_cost

The industry estimates that installations for wind turbines run between $1.3 million and $2.2 million per installed MW. There are a lot of idle wind turbines now, I understand, but they're not very portable. :frown:
 
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Perhaps this helps...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source

The levelized cost of electricity (LCOE) is a measure of a power source which attempts to compare different methods of electricity generation on a comparable basis.

Below is the complete list of LCOEs by source from the investment bank Lazard.[61]

Plant Type ( USD/MWh) Low High
Solar PV-Rooftop Residential 184 300
Solar PV-Rooftop C&I 109 193
Solar PV-Crystalline Utility Scale 58 70
Solar PV-Thin Film Utility Scale 50 60
Solar Thermal with Storage 119 181
Fuel Cell 106 167
Microturbine 79 89
Geothermal 82 117
Biomass Direct 82 110
Wind 32 77
Energy Efficiency 0 50
Battery Storage ** **
Diesel Reciprocating Engine 212 281
Natural Gas Reciprocating Engine 68 101
Gas Peaking 165 218
IGCC 96 183
Nuclear 97 136
Coal 65 150
Gas Combined Cycle 52 78

Dated Nov 2014
 

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