Probability density for mass on a spring

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a particle of mass m attached to a spring with spring constant k, which is displaced from its equilibrium position and released. The task is to derive the probability density function for the particle's position over half a period of its motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to relate the probability density to the time spent at various positions of the particle, referencing a similar example from their textbook. They express confusion about eliminating the time variable and understanding the origin of the constant π in the final expression.
  • Participants suggest using trigonometric identities to simplify the expressions and clarify the sign of the sine function over the motion interval.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between the period of oscillation and the time interval used for averaging the probability density.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and clarifications regarding the mathematical relationships involved. There is no explicit consensus yet, but some guidance has been offered regarding the handling of the sine function and the definition of the time interval T.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of deriving a probability density function based on the motion of a harmonic oscillator, specifically over half a period. The original poster is also referencing a textbook example, which may impose additional assumptions or methods that are not fully aligned with the current problem.

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Homework Statement



A particle of mass m is attached to a spring with a spring constant k. The particle is moved a horizontal distance A from the equilibrium point and released from rest. We follow the motion for half a period, that is x \in [-A, A].

Show that if we take snapshots of the particle at random time intervals dt that the probability density for the particle is \rho (x) = \frac{1}{\pi \sqrt{A^2 - x^2}}


Homework Equations



x(t) = Acos(\omega t -\delta)



The Attempt at a Solution



There was a similar example in the textbook about dropping a ball from a given height h. I tried to follow that example, but I'm still getting hung up.

\frac{dx}{dt} = -A \omega sin(\omega t - \delta)

From the example in the book, the probability density is found from \frac{dt}{T}, where T is the total time traveled by the particle.

Rearranging gives, \frac{dt}{T} = \frac{dx}{T} \frac{1}{-A \omega sin(\omega t - \delta)}

I believe the idea is to somehow eliminate the time variable on the right hand side, but I can't get it to look anything like the given answer, nor do I understand where the pi comes from. Any help is appreciated.
 
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Hint: \sin^2 u+\cos^2 u=1...so \sin(\omega t-\delta)=_____?:wink:
 
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Oh! Thank you! You're a genius, haha. Maybe I was on summer vacation too long.

Ok so, now I have:

\frac{dt}{T} = \frac{dx}{-T \omega} \frac{1}{\sqrt{A^2 - x^2}}

Does the -T \omega somehow turn into pi? I know omega is 2pi/T, but that leaves a "2" and a negative sign...
 
Let's start with the negative sign...As x varies from -A to A, what does the argument of the cosine vary from/to? Is \sin(\omega t -\delta) positive or negative over that interval? (Remeber, \sin^2 u+ \cos^2 u=1 \implies \sin u=\pm\sqrt{1-\cos^2 u} so you need to look at the argument of the cosine in order to fix the sign)

As for the factor of 2, you seem to be confusing the interval of the motion over which you are averaging the probability density (the T in the equation \rho=\frac{dt}{T}) with the period of oscillation (2\pi\omega)...in this case, the interval T is half a period of oscillation, so T=\pi \omega
 
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Just as a side note, do you go to CWRU?

But T = \frac{\pi}{\omega}
 

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