Probability distribution of angle of asteroid entry to the atmosphere

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The discussion revolves around the probability distribution of the angle at which asteroids enter the Earth's atmosphere. Participants explore theoretical models, mathematical calculations, and assumptions related to the entry angles of asteroids, considering factors such as gravitational effects and initial conditions of the asteroids.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes difficulty in achieving vertical collisions in gravitational simulations and questions whether the angle of entry distribution peaks at a specific angle, such as 45 degrees.
  • Another participant provides a mathematical model assuming a spherical Earth and calculates the probability density for entry angles, concluding that the density peaks at 45 degrees, while also noting that this model ignores gravitational effects.
  • A different participant raises concerns about the impact of the Earth's rotation on the model and suggests that asteroids must approach at an angle to leave a vertical trail in the atmosphere.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the calculations leading to the 45-degree result and questions the geometry involved, particularly the relationship between distance and angle.
  • Another participant emphasizes that achieving a vertical entry would require precise targeting towards the Earth's center, suggesting limitations in the simulation's capabilities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with some agreeing on the mathematical model's outcome while others question the assumptions and implications of the model. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the effects of various factors on the angle of entry.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the calculations may not account for the effects of gravity on trajectory and that the assumptions about the Earth's shape and rotation could significantly alter the results.

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Used to play with gravitational attraction simulations ages ago. One thing I noticed it was difficult to get a small object to collide with a bigger spherical one vertically and far more likely to hit at an angle far from 0. Has the math of this been worked out for asteroids entering the Earth's atmosphere? Maybe the distribution of the angle of entry has a peak at 45 degrees or whatever? Maybe observation data shows where the peak is and the shape is not symmetrical ?
 
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If we assume an asteroid can approach from any direction and that the Earth is perfectly spherical, the calculation is straightforward, because we can model it as a particle approaching a hemisphere head-on. It would get much more complicated if we relax those assumptions, but my feeling is that they would not make a huge difference to the probability.

With the hemisphere, we can calculate the probability of it striking at a particular angle theta by considering the closest distance r at which it would pass the Earth's centre, if the Earth were not there. The probability of the distance being between r and r+dr is ##p(r)dr = \frac{2\pi r\,dr}{\pi R^2}## where ##R## is the Earth's radius. The probability of the distance being less than ##r## is ##\int_0^r p(u)du = \left(\frac rR\right)^2##.
We can then do a change of variable and calculate the CDF and PDF for the angle theta, given that ##r=R\cos\theta##.

The result is that the probability density for angle ##\theta## is ##\sin 2\theta## and the probability of the angle being less than ##\theta## is ##\sin^2\theta##.

The probability density has a maximum when theta is 45 degrees, so your supposition is correct. The probability density is zero for theta equal to zero (brushing the surface) or ninety degrees (head-on impact).

This calculation also ignores the effect of gravity, which will make the object's trajectory curve inwards as it approaches Earth. However, if the object is traveling very fast relative to Earth, that effect should be minor.
 
the rotating surface would distort the model. The asteroid has to be flying through space angled eastward in order to leave a vertical trail in the atmosphere.

andrewkirk said:
This calculation also ignores the effect of gravity, which will make the object's trajectory curve inwards as it approaches Earth. However, if the object is traveling very fast relative to Earth, that effect should be minor.

I thought most asteroids are prograde and part of the solar system. Earth's gravity would create a very large fraction of the total speed. The original post just said a "gravitational attraction simulations ages ago ". It is possible that it was only simulating low velocity Earth crossing asteroids.
 
Wow. I haven't understood yet how you got this result but it is impressive that you ended up with 45 degrees. Haven't pictured your geometry yet. Why is r = R cos theta?

Those simulations allowed you to give each object any initial position, any initial velocity and any mass. So you could make the meteorite orbit the Earth object if you wanted. But you could not make the meteorite hit the atmosphere vertically without shooting it exactly towards the center of the earth, given an initially motionless earth.

In fact I think the meteorite cannot pass through the center of the Earth (if the Earth were not there) unless it is aimed at exactly the center of the motionless earth, thinking in terms of point masses. Is this true?
 
just for your learning :smile:
Jonathan212 said:
Those simulations allowed you to give each object any initial position, any initial velocity and any mass. So you could make the meteorite meteor orbit the Earth object if you wanted. But you could not make the meteorite meteor hit the atmosphere vertically without shooting it exactly towards the center of the earth, given an initially motionless earth.

Meteorite, once it is on the ground :smile:
 

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