Probability - Drawing balls from boxes

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The discussion revolves around a probability problem involving two boxes, A and B, with different capacities for holding balls. Box A can hold 2 balls, while Box B can hold 3. Participants are tasked with finding the expected value and variance of the number of balls used when filling the boxes randomly until one is full.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the different configurations of balls in the boxes and question the assumptions about the probabilities of each configuration. There is discussion about the interpretation of "randomly" filling the boxes and how that affects the likelihood of each outcome.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the misinterpretation of probabilities and exploring the correct approach to calculating the likelihood of each configuration. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to reconsider how the probabilities are assigned to the different filling scenarios.

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Participants are grappling with the constraints of the problem, including the total number of balls and the specific capacities of the boxes. There is also a noted confusion regarding the equal likelihood of the filling options, which is under scrutiny.

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box A has place for 2 balls,
box B has place for 3 balls

balls are placed randomly in each of the boxes until one of them is full

if X is the amount of balls used, find:
E(x)
var(x)


i drew the boxes and think there are only 3 options,,, X=[2 3 4]

BOX A --- BOX B
I) 2 balls ---- 0 balls
II) 2 balls --- 1 ball
III) 2 balls --- 2 balls
IV) 1 ball --- 3 balls
V) 0 balls --- 3 balls

|__X || 2__|_3__|_4_|
|P(X) || 1/5 | 2/5 | 2/5|

E(X)=3.2

but the correct answer is 3.125

same problem (obviously) for var
 
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Dell said:
box A has place for 2 balls,
box B has place for 3 balls

balls are placed randomly in each of the boxes …

Hi Dell! :smile:

I think from your "5"s you're misinterpreting "randomly" …

you're treating it as 5 compartments, each equally likely,

but it's only 2 boxes, each equally likely. :wink:
 


not REALLY sure what you think i mean, but the 5 is not from 2+3 (balls) but rather the 5 options i mentioned before, - the 5 RANDOM ways the boxes can be filled
2-0
2-1
2-2
0-3
1-3
 
ah … but those 5 ways are not equally likely. :wink:

Try again! :smile:
 


i thought that might be the problem, but can't fine the probability of each, since the likeliness of choosing either of the 2 boxes is 0.5, i thought the the probabillity of each possibility is 0.5^n (n being the number of balls used)

2-0 -- 1/4
2-1 -- 1/8
2-2 -- 1/16
0-3 -- 1/8
1-3 -- 1/16

but as you can see, this doesn't come to 1. so no point of even continuing
 
ok, let's start by doing II) as an example (2A,1B) …

II) requires the third ball to be in A, and either the first to be in A and the second in B, or vice versa.

in short, II) is ABA +BAA, so there's two.

Carry on from there. :smile:
 

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