Probability Midterm Question: Fruit row counting

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves arranging 10 pieces of fruit with specific conditions regarding the grouping of apples and oranges, as well as pears and peaches. The subject area pertains to combinatorial probability and permutations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the total permutations and how to account for the conditions of grouping fruits. There are attempts to calculate configurations where certain fruits are together and others are not. Questions arise about how to combine these configurations without double counting.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different configurations and questioning assumptions about the distinguishability of the fruits. Some guidance has been provided regarding the relationship between different sets of configurations, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

There is an assumption that the other fruits are distinguishable, which may affect the calculations. The problem does not provide explicit details on certain constraints, leading to further questioning and exploration of the setup.

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Homework Statement



You have 10 pieces of fruits of which 1 is an orange, 1 is an apple, 1 is a pear, and 1 is a peach. How many ways are there to organize them in a row if the apples and oranges must be together and the pears and peaches cannot be together.

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The Attempt at a Solution



Total permutations = 10!
Ways oranges and apples are together = 2!9!
Ways peaches and pears cannot be together = 10! - 2!9!

Unfortunately, I did not know how to combine them so in a futile attempt to get credit I stated:

(10! - 2!9! + 2!9!)/(2!2!) = 10!/4

I am darn sure this is wrong. Could somebody enlighten me for the next time?
 
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Can you calculate the number of configurations where the apple and orange are together and the peach and the pear are together?
 
^ 8!2!2!

Right?
 
Agreed. So if you know how many configurations satisfy one constraint, and how many configurations satisfy that constraint but violate the second, what's the number you are looking for?

Edit: by the way, the question is not explicit on the point, but you appear to be assuming that the other six fruits are distinguishable - not all bananas, or something.
 
I am actually not sure how to combine these without counting things more twice. Could you aid me through that?
 
I suspect that the point you are missing is that the 8!2!2! are a subset of the 9!2!. Think of it this way - write every possible configuration on 10! pieces of paper, one per piece. Then split that pile in two according to whether or not the apple and orange are together. Then split the pile where they are together by whether or not the peach and pear are together. You know how many there were before that second split, and you know how many are in the wrong pile after. How many are in the right pile?
 

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