Probability of a curve in joint density plane

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The discussion revolves around the probability of equality between two continuous random variables, X and Y, represented by their joint probability density function (pdf) on the unit square. Participants explore whether the probability P(X = Y) is zero and the implications of dependencies between the variables.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that since X and Y are continuous random variables, the probability P(X = Y) should be zero because it represents a plane in a volume context.
  • Another participant asserts that the probability of equality is indeed zero for continuous random variables.
  • Some participants challenge the assertion that P(X = Y) is always zero, proposing that if there is a dependency between X and Y, the probability may not be zero, citing the case where X = Y results in P(X = Y) = 1.
  • Further discussion includes the idea that if X = Y, it can be interpreted as a single random variable, which complicates the initial claim.
  • An example is provided where X is defined as the maximum of Y and 1/2, leading to a non-zero probability of equality under certain conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the probability of equality between continuous random variables, with some asserting it is always zero while others argue that dependencies can lead to non-zero probabilities.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion hinges on the definitions of continuous random variables and the nature of their dependencies, which may not be fully resolved in the current context.

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Suppose X and Y are continuous random variables with the joint pdf f_{xy}(x,y) on the [0,1] \times [0,1] square.

Is the probability P(X = Y) then equal to zero since probability here is a volume, and the set that satisfies P(X = Y) is a plane?

Supposing it's not zero, when I tried to evaluate it with the integral

\int_{0}^{1} f_{xy}(t,t)\sqrt2dt

(basically, just a line integral) the answer seems way too big.

Any thoughts from the folks out there?
 
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Whenever random variables are continuous the probability of their equality is zero.
 
thanks.
 
statdad said:
Whenever random variables are continuous the probability of their equality is zero.
This is not always true. If there is some dependency between X and Y, it may not be true. An extreme example is X=Y, so P(X=Y)=1.
 
mathman said:
This is not always true. If there is some dependency between X and Y, it may not be true. An extreme example is X=Y, so P(X=Y)=1.

Hmmm. I would argue that if X=Y then there is only one random variable. (As stated I'm looking at your comment as a different situation than the case where we construct independent - identically distributed copies of random variables in probability theory.)
 
statdad said:
Hmmm. I would argue that if X=Y then there is only one random variable. (As stated I'm looking at your comment as a different situation than the case where we construct independent - identically distributed copies of random variables in probability theory.)

Fussy! Another example: X=max(Y,1/2). Then P(X=Y)=P(Y≥1/2). You can make up any more as you wish. The main point is the obvious dependency between X and Y.
 

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