Problem dealing with Equilibrium & Torque

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a beam in equilibrium supported by two posts, with a boy walking along the beam. The objective is to determine how close the boy can get to the right end of the beam without it tipping over. The context includes concepts of torque and forces acting on the beam.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the conditions for equilibrium, specifically focusing on torque and forces. They express confusion regarding the number of unknowns in their equations. Some participants question the assumptions about the pivot point and the distribution of forces when the beam is on the verge of tipping.

Discussion Status

Participants have provided hints that have guided the original poster towards a potential solution. There is acknowledgment of progress made in solving for the distance the boy can walk along the beam. However, further questions remain about the forces acting on the supports when the beam is about to tip.

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The discussion includes a visual aid to assist in understanding the problem setup. There is a mention of the original poster's confusion regarding their calculations, which may indicate a need for clarity in the problem's assumptions and setup.

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Homework Statement



A 40 kg, 5.0-m-long beam is supported by, but not attached to, the two posts. A 20 kg boy starts walking along the beam. How close can he get to the right end of the beam without it tipping?

The left post under the very left end of the beam, and the first post is 3.0 m to the right of it. I've attached an image to assist in visualizing.

Homework Equations



To be in equilibrium:
[tex]\sum \vec{\tau} = 0[/tex]
[tex]\sum \vec{F} = 0[/tex]

Torque:
[tex]\vec{\tau} = r \cdot \vec{F_\perp}[/tex]

Weight:
[tex]\vec{w} = m \cdot \vec{g}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



Since I know the Torque must be 0 to keep the beam from rotating, I get:

[tex]40 \cdot 9.8 + 20 \cdot 9.8 = 3 \cdot \vec{F}_\text{right beam}[/tex]
3 is the distance from the pivot point (the left beam) to the right beam and F2 is force of the right post.

Fnet must also be 0, so I get the following:

[tex]\vec{F}_\text{left beam} + \vec{F}_\text{right beam} = 40 \cdot 9.8 + 20 \cdot 9.8[/tex]

I'm stuck because I've got 2 functions and 3 unknown variables (Fleft beam, Fright beam, x (distance from the pivot point to the boy)).

I assume there is a way to find these but I'm not sure where to go from here or if I've made a mistake.
 

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Hints:
Where does the weight of the beam act?
When the beam is just about to tip, about which support is it pivoting? At that point, what's the force at the other support?
 
Thank you for the hints! Your 2nd hint is what led me to figure it out, your first hint made me realize that I messed up showing my work in Latex (sorry if that confused you).

Anyway, I got 4 m when solving for x, which looks right!
 
Excellent.
 
alprim said:
How do I figure out what the force on the other support is?
If the board is just about to tip, what must be the force on the other support?

(Realize that you are replying to a thread that is several years old.)
 

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