Problem in making a small refracting Telescope

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the construction of a small refracting telescope, specifically a Galilean type, using a double concave lens and a double convex lens. Participants explore the challenges faced in achieving proper focus and alignment of the lenses within the telescope design.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their experience attempting to build a telescope with specific lenses and a tube length, noting that it did not function as expected.
  • Another participant suggests that the issue may be related to focusing, indicating that the double concave lens should be placed before the focus of the double convex lens.
  • There is a recommendation to locate the focal point of the double convex lens using a bright object to measure its focal length accurately.
  • A participant mentions planning to adjust the tube length to 92.5 cm based on suggestions received, after previously trying a longer length that did not work.
  • It is noted that for the Galilean design, the viewer's eye should be positioned close to the negative lens, as the exit pupil is located slightly before it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for proper lens placement and focusing techniques, but there is no consensus on the specific reasons for the telescope's initial failure or the optimal configuration.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the technical details regarding the exact placement of the lenses or the calculations needed for optimal performance.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in amateur telescope making, optics, or educational projects related to astronomy may find this discussion beneficial.

Ibrahim Hany
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It sounds silly to ask such question or stumble in such problem, indeed!

But I was willing to make some small telescopes for young friends of mine, to encourage them to delve in the skies.

So, I bought:
1. Double concave, spherical glass lens, with a focal length of approx. -75mm and diameter of 38mm.
2. Double convex, spherical glass lens, with a focal length of approx. 1000mm.

I believed that by a tube of about a meter length, I should have an excellent refracting telescope!
But unfortunately after collecting the lenses and the tube, the telescope did not work! Sth is hugely wrong in my estimations!

Would anyone hint me where might the mistake be? Your illustrations are much appreciated.
 
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This should give you what is called a Galilean telescope, since it is the type Galileo first used to explore the skies. What do you mean that "the telescope did not work"? You were probably just not in focus. You need to place the double concave lens before the focus of the double convex lens. Did you locate the focal point of the double convex lens? This is best done with a bright object like the moon or a street light. Then you can see the image point and accurately measure the focal length of the double convex lens. Then the double concave lens needs to be placed about 75 mm in front of the focal point. You will need to be able to move it back and forth to find the point of best focus. The top picture in attached image shows how the lenses should be placed.

refracting_telescopes.jpg
 
phyzguy said:
This should give you what is called a Galilean telescope, since it is the type Galileo first used to explore the skies. What do you mean that "the telescope did not work"? You were probably just not in focus. You need to place the double concave lens before the focus of the double convex lens. Did you locate the focal point of the double convex lens? This is best done with a bright object like the moon or a street light. Then you can see the image point and accurately measure the focal length of the double convex lens. Then the double concave lens needs to be placed about 75 mm in front of the focal point. You will need to be able to move it back and forth to find the point of best focus. The top picture in attached image shows how the lenses should be placed.

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Yeah, I am planning to make a Galileo Type telescope.
And I will try a tube with 92.5 cm according to your suggestions, and planning to do the detailed optics calculations for it soon. I tried 107.5 cm before, and it did not work.

Thanks for your help. Will post here as soon as I assemble the pieces.
 
Ibrahim Hany said:
Yeah, I am planning to make a Galileo Type telescope.
And I will try a tube with 92.5 cm according to your suggestions, and planning to do the detailed optics calculations for it soon. I tried 107.5 cm before, and it did not work.

Thanks for your help. Will post here as soon as I assemble the pieces.

Something to remember with the Galilean design, your eye needs to be as close to the negative lens as possible- the exit pupil is located slightly prior to the negative lens.
 

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