Problem on Energy Density in Dielectric Medium

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the derivation of energy density in a dielectric medium, specifically the relationship between electric potential, charge density, electric field strength, and electric displacement. Participants explore the implications of finite versus infinite spatial extent in the context of energy density calculations.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the equation for electric energy within a volume and seeks clarification on the derivation leading to the energy density expression U = 1/2 E·D.
  • Another participant suggests considering the limit of the volume Ω to infinity to address the surface term in the energy change equation.
  • A different participant questions the rationale behind considering Ω to infinity, referencing the tutorial's statement about neglecting the surface term for finite spatial extents.
  • One participant argues that if the sources of δD are confined to a finite region, the gradient of the potential and δD will decay rapidly at infinity, leading to a vanishing surface integral.
  • A later reply raises a concern about whether the expression U = 1/2 E·D is valid only when considering the definition of electric energy density over all space, suggesting that energy density may be a local quantity independent of the spatial extent.
  • Another participant notes that E and D are local quantities, contrasting them with the electric potential φ.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of spatial extent in the derivation of energy density, with no consensus reached on whether the expression U = 1/2 E·D holds under all conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence of the derivation on the definitions and assumptions regarding spatial extent and the behavior of electric potential and displacement at infinity.

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I'm reading this tutorial and having some difficulty in understanding its derivation.

I take as granted that electric energy within a volume \Omega is defined by:

W = \int_\Omega \phi \cdot \rho \cdot d^3r

where \phi = \phi(\textbf{r}) is the eletric potential, \rho = \rho(\textbf{r}) is the charge density and d^3r \stackrel{\Delta}{=} volume element. Now that the energy density is defined by

U = \phi \cdot \rho

To my understanding, the tutorial is trying to show that

U = \frac{1}{2} \textbf{E}\cdot \textbf{D}

where \textbf{E} = \textbf{E}(\textbf{r}) is eletric field strength and \textbf{D} = \epsilon_0 \textbf{E} + \textbf{P} is the electric displacement (FYI: definition of electric displacement if needed).

Now that the tutorial begines with introducing a change of free charge density (\delta\rho_f) and yielding a change of total energy (within the volume I SUPPOSE):

\delta W = \int_\Omega \phi \cdot (\delta\rho_f) \cdot d^3r \; -- \; (1)

then by \nabla \textbf{D} = \rho_f equation (1) reduces to

\int_\Omega \phi \cdot \nabla (\delta \textbf{D}) \cdot d^3r

= \int_\Omega \nabla (\phi \cdot (\delta \textbf{D})) \cdot d^3r - \int_\Omega \nabla \phi \cdot (\delta \textbf{D}) \cdot d^3r

= \int_{\partial\Omega} \phi \cdot (\delta \textbf{D}) \cdot d\textbf{S} - \int_\Omega \nabla \phi \cdot (\delta \textbf{D}) \cdot d^3r \; -- \; (2)

where use has been made of Integration by Parts and Divergence Theorem. I'm fine with the derivation by far.

Here comes the part that I don't understand. The tutorial says "If the dielectric medium is of finite spatial extent then we can neglect the surface term to give \delta W = - \int_\Omega \nabla \phi \cdot (\delta \textbf{D}) \cdot d^3r" which implies that \int_{\partial\Omega} \phi \cdot (\delta \textbf{D}) \cdot d\textbf{S} = 0.

This doesn't seem trivial to me. I consulted some of my friends majored in Physics but most of them just took U = \frac{1}{2} \textbf{E}\cdot \textbf{D} as granted when using it and some are still trying to help.

Hope I can get luck in this forum, any help will be appreciated :)
 
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I suppose you have to consider the limit Omega to infinity.
 
@DrDu, sorry I can't see why considering \Omega to infinity will explain the equation, and as I quoted from the tutorial "If the dielectric medium is of finite spatial extent then we can neglect the surface term to give \delta W = - \int \nabla \phi \cdot (\delta \textbf{D}) \cdot d^3 r". Would you further explain the idea of introducing infinity here?
 
I think if the sources of ##\delta D## are in a finite region then the gradient of the potential and ##\delta D## will decay rapidly enough at infinity so that the surface integral vanishes in the limit ##r \to \infty##.
 
Oh I see, just checked the tutorial again and it does say that the integration is taken over all space. However another problem comes if ##\Omega## defined like so -- does it mean that ## U = \frac{1}{2} \textbf{E} \cdot \textbf{D} ## is only correct when the definition of "electric energy density" is with respect to all space? I suppose that energy density is a term describing a local quantity which is irrelevant to the micro space extent.
 
At least, E and D are local quantities, in contrast to phi.
 

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