Problem solving 2 variable equal triangle problem

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The discussion revolves around a geometric problem involving a 4-inch square positioned at the origin of a coordinate system and a 12-inch ruler leaning against the wall, with multiple points of contact. Participants explore methods to determine the point of contact between the ruler and the corner of the block, focusing on the relationships between the triangles formed by the ruler and the square.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the problem and expresses difficulty in finding a fresh approach, noting that the triangles formed by the ruler and the square share angles.
  • Another participant suggests using similarity of triangles to derive a relationship between the variables, specifically stating that \( \frac{y}{4}=\frac{4}{x} \) leads to \( y=\frac{16}{x} \).
  • Using the Pythagorean theorem, the same participant proposes an equation for the large triangle: \( (x+4)^2+(y+4)^2=12^2 \), and suggests substituting \( y \) to create a single-variable equation.
  • A later reply acknowledges the previous steps but indicates that the problem became complicated, suggesting that the initial approach may have been more straightforward.
  • Another participant reiterates the inclination to define the horizontal length from the origin to the ruler as \( x \), and mentions attempts to label the unknowns in relation to the large triangle as \( x-4 \) and \( y-4 \).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally share similar approaches to the problem, particularly regarding the use of triangle similarity and the Pythagorean theorem. However, there is no consensus on the best method to simplify the problem or resolve the variables involved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that their attempts led to complications, indicating potential limitations in their approaches or assumptions about the relationships between the variables.

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I solved this many years ago, but after revisiting Trig in order to tutor my daughter, I revisited this to stimulate myself but am hitting a brick wall.

Problem:
A 4 inch square sits in a corner(picture x,y origin). A 12 inch ruler or line leans against the wall at an angle such that there are 3 points of contact: wall, the outer corner of the block, and the floor.
At what point on the ruler does the corner of the block make contact?

Efforts:
We know that the upper triangle and lower triangle are of same angles. (Ruler passes through 2 parallel lines, being the floor and the top of the 4 inch block. So the trig function ratios are equal.
I have gone the route of setting the large triangle hypotenuse (12) equal to the sum of the hypotenuses of the smaller triangles leading me down a path that still leaves me with 2 variables.

I would appreciate some input as to a fresh way of approaching this problem, not necessarily the answer.
 
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I would draw a diagram:

View attachment 2006

By similarity, we have:

$$\frac{y}{4}=\frac{4}{x}\implies y=\frac{16}{x}$$

Using the Pythagorean theorem on the large triangle, we may write:

$$(x+4)^2+(y+4)^2=12^2$$

Now using the expression for $y$ in terms of $x$ to get an equation in one variable. Once you have $x$, then you may determine $d$ using the Pythagorean theorem where:

$$x^2+4^2=d^2$$
 

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Many thanks, I had your step one and two but it was after making it more complicated than it needed to be and going off in wrong directions.
thanks again.
 
MarkFL said:
I would draw a diagram:

https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/2006

By similarity, we have:

$$\frac{y}{4}=\frac{4}{x}\implies y=\frac{16}{x}$$

Using the Pythagorean theorem on the large triangle, we may write:

$$(x+4)^2+(y+4)^2=12^2$$

Now using the expression for $y$ in terms of $x$ to get an equation in one variable. Once you have $x$, then you may determine $d$ using the Pythagorean theorem where:

$$x^2+4^2=d^2$$

I would be inclined to write that the entire horizontal length from the origin to the ruler as being length x, considering it's the position it will take on the x axis...
 
Prove It said:
I would be inclined to write that the entire horizontal length from the origin to the ruler as being length x, considering it's the position it will take on the x axis...

I went that direction also in some of my attempts, labeling unknown x,y with respect to large triangle as x-4 and y-4 respectively.
 

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