Problem solving separable diff EQ w/ I.Condition. , they say its wrong :x

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a separable differential equation given by 11 x - 8 y*sqrt{x^2 + 1}*{dy}/{dx} = 0, with the initial condition y(0) = 6. Participants are examining the process of finding the particular solution and addressing potential errors in the integration steps.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to solve the differential equation but expresses uncertainty about their method, particularly regarding the placement of the constant of integration. Other participants discuss the integration process and the implications of the constant's position.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the integration steps and the correct placement of the constant of integration. There is acknowledgment of a successful resolution to the original poster's issue, though the discussion reflects varying interpretations of the solution process.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working within the constraints of the homework problem, focusing on the specific initial condition and the requirements of the differential equation without providing a complete solution.

mr_coffee
Messages
1,613
Reaction score
1
Hello everyone i did this one surley thing it would work out and yet another failure. :cry:
Solve the separable differential equation
11 x - 8 y*sqrt{x^2 + 1}*{dy}/{dx} = 0.
Subject to the initial condition: y(0) = 6.
y = ?I'm pretty sure where I messed up is when i tried to solve for y, i htink i screwed up there but I'm not sure, anyone know? Thanks! its #11. Ignore that top stuff please!

Here is my work:
http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/5705/lastscan8cm.jpg
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Physics news on Phys.org
Particular solution

You problem lies in where you placed your constant of integration, namely:

[tex]11\int \frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2+1}}dx = \frac{11}{2}\int \frac{1}{\sqrt{u}}du = \frac{11}{2}\int u^{-\frac{1}{2}}du = 11u^{\frac{1}{2}}+C=11\sqrt{x^2+1}+C[/tex]

C is outside the square root, from there

[tex]4y^2=11\sqrt{x^2+1}+C[/tex]

[tex]y^2=\frac{11}{4}\sqrt{x^2+1}+\frac{C}{4}[/tex]

or,

[tex]y=\pm\sqrt{\frac{11}{4}\sqrt{x^2+1}+\frac{C}{4}}[/tex]

to solve for C, use the simplest form of the solved DE, that is use

[tex]4y^2=11\sqrt{x^2+1}+C[/tex]

for x=0 and y(0)=6, this gives

[tex]4(6)^2=11\sqrt{0^2+1}+C[/tex]

which simplifies to

[tex]144=11+C[/tex]

and hence C=133, plug this into

[tex]y=\pm\sqrt{\frac{11}{4}\sqrt{x^2+1}+\frac{C}{4}}[/tex]

to get

[tex]y(x)=\pm\sqrt{\frac{11}{4}\sqrt{x^2+1}+\frac{133}{4}}=\pm\frac{1}{2}\sqrt{11\sqrt{x^2+1}+133}[/tex]

as your particular solution.
 
Last edited:
yup, that constant shouldn't be under the radical! :-p
 
Ahhh, that worked perfectly Benorin, thanks a ton (again)! :) The step by step explanation is great!
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
1K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
1K