Problem using centripital accel.... Can you check my work?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a rock being swung in a horizontal circle, with a focus on determining the angular velocity when the string tilts at a specific angle. The subject area is centripetal acceleration and angular motion.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of tension in the string and its relationship to gravitational force. They explore the conversion of linear velocity to angular velocity and the implications of the angle of tilt on these calculations.

Discussion Status

Several participants confirm the values obtained by the original poster, indicating agreement on the calculations. An alternative method is suggested for deriving angular velocity, which involves analyzing the relationship between gravitational and centripetal acceleration.

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There is an emphasis on the use of diagrams and the relationships between forces, but no consensus on the necessity of the alternative method is reached. The discussion remains open to different interpretations of the problem setup.

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Homework Statement



A student ties a 500 g rock to a 1.0-m-long string and swings it around her head in a horizontal circle.
At what angular velocity in rpm does the string tilt down at a 16 degree angle?

Homework Equations



F = (m*v^2)/r
v = r*w

The Attempt at a Solution


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First I solved for the tension in the string...

∑Fy = 0

T*sin(16°) - mg = 0
T*sin(16°) = mg
T = 17.776 N

Next I solved for the linear velocity

ΣFx = m*a

Tx = 17.776cos(16°)
r = sin(74°)
17.776cos(16°) = ((.5kg)*v^2)/(sin(74°)
Solve for linear velocity --> 5.73 m/s

v = r*w
Solve for omega and I got 5.96 rad/s

Convert to rpm and I got 56.9 rpm.
 
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I get the same values.
 
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mfb said:
I get the same values.
Awesome, thank you!
 
You've found a valid solution, well done. Since you've arrived at the answer I'm free to show you an alternative method.

If you make a drawing of the scenario and consider the accelerations experienced by the rock you'll see that the ratio of the gravitational acceleration to the centripetal acceleration will be equal to the tan of the angle. In this diagram the negative of the centripetal acceleration (red vector) is shown for clarity:

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So that ##tan(θ) = \frac{g}{ω^2 r}##, where: ##r = L cos(θ)##. With a bit of rearranging and simplifying this becomes:

##ω = \sqrt{\frac{g}{L sin(θ)}}##

which should yield the same value for ω that you found.
 
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gneill said:
You've found a valid solution, well done. Since you've arrived at the answer I'm free to show you an alternative method.

If you make a drawing of the scenario and consider the accelerations experienced by the rock you'll see that the ratio of the gravitational acceleration to the centripetal acceleration will be equal to the tan of the angle. In this diagram the negative of the centripetal acceleration (red vector) is shown for clarity:

View attachment 114717

So that ##tan(θ) = \frac{g}{ω^2 r}##, where: ##r = L cos(θ)##. With a bit of rearranging and simplifying this becomes:

##ω = \sqrt{\frac{g}{L sin(θ)}}##

which should yield the same value for ω that you found.

Thank you! I'll remember that :)
 

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