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The discussion revolves around a calculation issue related to the principle of least action in the context of special relativity, as presented in Gourgoulhon's text. Participants explore the implications of the Euler-Lagrange equations and the derivation of certain expressions without assuming their validity, focusing on the mathematical steps involved in the derivation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the derivation of a specific equality in the context of the Euler-Lagrange equations and the action's independence from parametrization.
  • Another participant suggests that the equality can be derived by substituting the Euler-Lagrange equation into the expression, indicating that it results in a total derivative.
  • A third participant notes that the calculations in question are performed off-shell, implying that the assumptions of the Euler-Lagrange equations do not hold in that context.
  • Further discussion hints at the need to consider the total derivative of the Lagrangian with respect to the parameter, assuming no explicit dependence on it.
  • A later reply acknowledges a previous oversight regarding the addition of terms leading to the total derivative of the Lagrangian.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the clarity of the calculations presented in Gourgoulhon's work, with some agreeing on the derivation while others emphasize the off-shell nature of the calculations.

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There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made in the calculations, particularly concerning the dependence of the Lagrangian on the parameter and the validity of the Euler-Lagrange equations in the context discussed.

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I'm reading Gourgoulhon's Special Relativity in general frames. In chapter 11, which is about the principle of least action, he constructs the relativistic version of this principle but I have problem with one part of it.
At first, he introduces Lagrangian and then from the fact that the action should be independent of the parametrization of the world line, concludes that the Lagrangian should be a positive homogeneous function of degree 1 w.r.t. the components of 4-velocity. So, using Euler's theorem for homogeneous functions, he writes:
[itex] \dot x^\alpha \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot x^\alpha}=L[/itex].
After this, he derives the Euler-Lagrange equations [itex]\frac{\partial L}{\partial x^\alpha}-\frac{d}{d \lambda}\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot x ^\alpha}=0[/itex].
Then, in a remark, he says that the fact that we have four Euler-Lagrange equations in the Relativistic case, which is one more than in the Newtonian case, doesn't mean that an extra degree of freedom is added to the system because the four equations aren't independent. I don't have a problem with this statement but the calculations he does afterwards(which are off-shell) doesn't seem clear to me and I can't reconstruct them!
[itex] \dot x ^\alpha (\frac{\partial L}{\partial x^\alpha}-\frac{d}{d \lambda}\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot x ^\alpha})=<br /> \dot x^\alpha \frac{\partial L}{\partial x^\alpha}-\frac{d}{d\lambda}(\dot x^\alpha \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot x^\alpha})+\frac{d \dot x ^\alpha}{d \lambda}\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot x^\alpha}=\frac{dL}{d \lambda}-\frac{d}{d \lambda}(\dot x^\alpha \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot x^\alpha})[/itex]
I have problem with the 2nd equality. How is it done?
Thanks
 
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[itex]\dot{x}^a \frac{\partial L}{\partial x^a}= \dot{x}^a \frac{d}{d \lambda} \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{x}^a}[/itex] (E-L equat)

[itex]\frac{d \dot{x}^a}{d\lambda} \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{x}^a}+ \dot{x}^a \frac{d}{d \lambda} \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{x}^a}= \frac{d}{d \lambda} (\dot{x}^a \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{x}^a})[/itex] the 1st and 3rd terms in your equation after replacing the 1st term with the E-L equation result... it's a total derivative of lambda...

[itex]\frac{d}{d \lambda} (\dot{x}^a \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{x}^a})= \frac{d}{d\lambda} (L)[/itex] (using your first equation for L)

Then there you got the result
 
Yeah, that works but as I said his calculations are of-shell. He says: "To make this explicit, let us evaluate the following expression, without assuming that (11.17) holds " where 11.17 are the E-L equations!
 
Maybe then you have to look what the total derivative of L wrt to lambda is...assuming that it has no explicit dependence on it,...
 
Oh my god...Its just I was being too careless. Of course 1st and 3rd terms add up to the L's total derivative. Thanks man!
 

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