Problem with convergent sequences

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The discussion revolves around the properties of convergent sequences in real numbers, specifically examining statements related to monotonicity and limits. The original poster presents a problem involving sequences \(a_n\) and \(b_n\) that converge to limits \(a\) and \(b\), respectively, and seeks to prove or disprove several assertions regarding these sequences.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to provide counterexamples for the statements, particularly for parts A and B, and expresses uncertainty regarding parts C and D. Some participants question the validity of the assumptions made in the examples provided, particularly concerning the behavior of the sequences as \(n\) approaches infinity.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering insights and questioning the implications of the original poster's examples. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the conditions under which the statements hold, particularly regarding the limits of the sequences.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion about the behavior of sequences for negative values of \(n\) and how this affects the validity of the proposed examples. The discussion highlights the importance of understanding the limits and the conditions under which the inequalities are considered.

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Hi, I have the following problem and have done the first two questions, but I don't know how to solve the last two. Thanks for any help you can give me!

Homework Statement


Let a_{n}\rightarrow a, b_{n}\rightarrow b be convergent sequences in \Re. Prove, or give a counterexample to, the following statements:

A) a_{n} is a monotone sequence;
B) if a_{n}>b_{n}+1/(n^3+4), then a>b;
C) if a_{n}>((n^3+1)/(2n^3+1))b_{n}, then a>b;
D) if s_{n}=(1/n)(a_1+...+a_n), then s_n \rightarrow a.


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I have solved the first two. For A I have given the counterexample a_n=sin(n)/n and for B I have used the fact that as n goes to infinity, 1/(n^3+4) approaches 0, which would give a_n > b_n, which is a>b when n goes to infinity.

I have tried the same thing with C, but it gives me a>(1/2)b, which doesn't lead me anywhere, I think. And for D, I think that as n goes to infinity, s_n will be close to a_n because s_n ≈ (1/n)*n*a_n, which is the same as saying s_n \rightarrow a. However, I don't know if this is correct, and if it is, how am I supposed to express it?

Thanks a lot!
 
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gilabert1985 said:
Hi, I have the following problem and have done the first two questions, but I don't know how to solve the last two. Thanks for any help you can give me!

Homework Statement


Let a_{n}\rightarrow a, b_{n}\rightarrow b be convergent sequences in \Re. Prove, or give a counterexample to, the following statements:

A) a_{n} is a monotone sequence;
B) if a_{n}>b_{n}+1/(n^3+4), then a>b;
C) if a_{n}>((n^3+1)/(2n^3+1))b_{n}, then a>b;
D) if s_{n}=(1/n)(a_1+...+a_n), then s_n \rightarrow a.


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I have solved the first two. For A I have given the counterexample a_n=sin(n)/n and for B I have used the fact that as n goes to infinity, 1/(n^3+4) approaches 0, which would give a_n > b_n, which is a>b when n goes to infinity.
Think about that last statement if ##a_n = \frac 2 {n^3+4}## and ##b_n=0##.
 
Thanks!

So that would give me 2/(n^3+4)>1/(n^3+4), which holds when n goes to infinity.

So could I use something similar for part C then, something like b_n=0 or b_n=1? With b_n=1, I could have a_n=(2n^3+1)/(2n^3+1)?
 
However, they would not hold for negative values of n? I am confused :/
 
LCKurtz said:
Think about that last statement if ##a_n = \frac 2 {n^3+4}## and ##b_n=0##.

gilabert1985 said:
Thanks!

So that would give me 2/(n^3+4)>1/(n^3+4), which holds when n goes to infinity.

I'm not sure you understand my example and I don't know what you mean when you say it "holds when n goes to infinity". The ##a_n## and ##b_n## in my example go ##a=0## and ##b=0## respectively. The ##a_n>b_n## does not hold in the limit.
 

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