Problem with vectors and unit vectors

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the calculation of a magnetic field produced by an electric charge moving through a material, with specific focus on vector operations and unit vectors. The original poster presents a formula for the magnetic field and attempts to compute it using given values for velocity and position vectors.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the calculation of the magnetic field using the provided formula, questioning the constants involved and the correct application of vector mathematics, particularly in calculating the unit vector and the cross product.

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There is an ongoing examination of the calculations related to the magnetic field, with participants providing insights and corrections regarding the computation of the unit vector and the cross product. Some participants have offered alternative methods for calculating the cross product to avoid sign errors.

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Participants discuss the units for the constants involved and the implications of using SI units versus given values. There is also mention of potential discrepancies in calculations leading to different results for the magnetic field components.

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Homework Statement



An electric charge e which moves through a material of permeability μ with a velocity v, produces a magnetic field β at a point r given by:

β= ((μ*e)/(4*∏))*((v*ru)/(|r|)2)

where ru is a unit vector in the direction of r.

Find β if v=4i+3j+3k and r=4i+7j+5k.
Take μ=e=93 in appropriate units.



Homework Equations



equation for a unit vector: (a*b)=(a2*b3-a3*b2)i-(a1*b3-a3*b1)j-(a1*b2-a2*b1)k


The Attempt at a Solution



so i know μ .and e are both = 93 so i know that:
(μ*e)/(4*∏) is going to be a constant. i worked it out to be 688.266

i worked out |r|2:
42+72+52=90

then i tried to use the equation for a unit vector to calculate ru. this gave me:
ru = -48.902i + 0.060j - 65.143k

i then put all these values back into the original equation and it came out with:
β = -373.973i + 0.459j - 498.174k
when the actual answer is:
β = -4.836i - 6.448j + 12.897k

can anyone help me find what i have done wrong?
 
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Isnt μ/4∏ = 10^-7?
 
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By the * i mean multiply.
so I am told μ and e both = 93 then μ*e = 93*93 = 8649
then i divided this by 4∏:
8649/4∏ = 688.265 with my calculator in radians. so i presumed that that section of the problem would always be constant.

what units should i be using for μ and e?
 
well you can use SI for all
In SI

μ/4∏ = 10^-7
e = 1.6 x 10^-19

but if its given then its a completely different matter

but my answer is coming something different ...

whats your product of v*r
 
so have i gone wrong working out (μ*e)/4∏ then?

i work out v*r to be -6i - 8j - 16k

to calculate ru, what would be the correct method?
would it be r/|r| ?
 
OH! I'm sorry its a unit vector! i didnt look at (u)

ru = r/mag(r)

SO v*r = -6i - 8j - 16k

v*ru = (-6i - 8j - 16k)/sqt(90)

or you can write: B = 288.266/(90 x sqrt(90)) * (-6i - 8j - 16k)

so you get ...

β = -4.836i - 6.448j + 12.897k
 
haha that's fine :-)
i understand what you have done but why is the k component of the vector positive?
 
i actually copy pasted from your post and sisnt looked so closely but k component comes to be positive. Check your calculations.
and you can also use matrix method to find cross product
it has less chances of making sign mistake
 
so i have got the k component of (v*ru) to be -1.6865

if i divide this by 90 i get -0.0187

then multiply by 688.266 and i get -12.897?

did you get -1.6865 to be the k component? or is it positive? I am not yet familiar with the matrix method
 

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