Producing High Frequency Waves in Labs - YoctoHertz Limitations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the production of high-frequency waves in laboratory settings, particularly exploring the theoretical limits of generating frequencies in the YoctoHertz range. Participants examine the factors that influence frequency generation and measurement, as well as the implications of hypothetical scenarios involving advanced materials and technologies.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the highest frequency waves that can be produced in labs and the limiting factors for reaching the YoctoHertz range, suggesting a hypothetical scenario with unlimited materials.
  • Another participant notes that while there is no known upper limit on frequency in accepted physics, there may be a fundamental limitation around 10^44 Hz, related to Planck time.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that measuring high frequencies poses significant challenges, as quantification is necessary to understand what is being generated.
  • One participant discusses the energy requirements for producing high-frequency gamma rays, indicating that matter-antimatter reactions are necessary to achieve the required photon energy, while also noting that cosmic rays exceed current laboratory capabilities.
  • Another participant counters the previous claim by mentioning Compton scattering as a method to produce high-energy photons without the need for antimatter, using high-energy electrons instead.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of generating high-frequency waves and the methods required, with no consensus reached on the limitations or possibilities of such technologies.

Contextual Notes

Participants' claims involve assumptions about energy requirements, measurement capabilities, and the nature of high-frequency wave generation, which remain unresolved and depend on various theoretical and practical considerations.

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Ok topic was rather unscientific i know, but yes, i want to know, what are the highest frequency waves that are laboratory producable? also, what are the limiting factors in designing devices capable of reaching upwards of the YoctoHertz range for example. how are the frequencies generated in the first place?

also let's just be hypothetical here, no need to come crashing down on me with a "it can't be done because of XXX limitation in currently known technology". let's just assume that we have access to an infinite selection of materials, capable of performing any required task, what are the variables which must be manipulated to achieve higher and higher level frequencies?
 
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In currently accepted physics, there's no known higher limit on frequency, but there are reasons to believe that there might be a fundamental limitation around something of the order of 1/Plancktime. This would correspond to something like 10^44 Hz.

The thing that determines frequency is essentially the energy of individual entities: for electromagnetic radiation, that's the energy of a photon.
 
the problem is not as much generating the frequency, its measuring it
you don't know what you have unless you can quantify it

dr
 
I don't know if you realize but you are talking about gamma rays. The photon energy of hard gamma rays is very high. To get enough energy into one photon you have to use matter antimatter reactions. And those also produce other field excitations, not just the gamma rays. We are limited by our colider powers, nature isn't, and regularly showers the Earth with cosmic rays that are much stronger than anything we can produce on earth.
 
0xDEADBEEF said:
I don't know if you realize but you are talking about gamma rays. The photon energy of hard gamma rays is very high. To get enough energy into one photon you have to use matter antimatter reactions. And those also produce other field excitations, not just the gamma rays. We are limited by our colider powers, nature isn't, and regularly showers the Earth with cosmic rays that are much stronger than anything we can produce on earth.
Did you ever hear of Compton scattering of laser light off of high energy electrons? If you shoot 2-eV photons at a 20 GeV electron (gamma = 40,000), you get a scattered photon coming back with an energy of about gamma-squared times 2 eV = 3 GeV. Nice way to produce high energy photons. No antimatter required.
Bob S
 

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