Product Rule for Derivatives: Understanding and Applying

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the differentiation of the expression \( \frac{d}{dx}x^{2}y^{2} \), focusing on the application of the product rule and the treatment of the variable \( y \) in relation to \( x \).

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the differentiation using both a calculator and manual methods, questioning whether \( y \) should be treated as a constant or a function of \( x \). There is also a discussion about the implications of \( y \) being dependent on \( x \) and the necessity of using the chain rule in that case.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights regarding the treatment of \( y \) in the differentiation process, noting that if \( y \) is constant, the calculator's answer is valid. However, if \( y \) is dependent on \( x \), additional considerations arise, leading to a more complex expression involving \( \frac{dy}{dx} \).

Contextual Notes

It is noted that this problem is part of an implicit differentiation context, which influences the interpretation of \( y \)'s dependency on \( x \).

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Homework Statement



[tex]\frac{d}{dx}x^{2}y^{2} = ?[/tex]

Homework Equations



Power rule: [tex]\frac{d}{dx}x^{n} = nx^{n-1}[/tex]
Product rule: [tex]\frac{d}{dx}[f(x)g(x)] = f'(x)g(x) + g'(x)f(x)[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



My TI-89 titanium gives me [tex]2xy^{2}[/tex]
Which contradicts the power rule.

Doing this by hand gives me
[tex]2x^{2}y + 2xy^{2}[/tex]

Which one is correct? Is "y" considered as it's own function or as a constant?
 
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Winning said:

Homework Statement



[tex]\frac{d}{dx}x^{2}y^{2} = ?[/tex]

Homework Equations



Power rule: [tex]\frac{d}{dx}x^{n} = nx^{n-1}[/tex]
Product rule: [tex]\frac{d}{dx}[f(x)g(x)] = f'(x)g(x) + g'(x)f(x)[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



My TI-89 titanium gives me [tex]2xy^{2}[/tex]
Which contradicts the power rule.

Doing this by hand gives me
[tex]2x^{2}y + 2xy^{2}[/tex]

Which one is correct? Is "y" considered as it's own function or as a constant?
Why do you think that d(y^2)/dx is 2y?

RGV
 
If y does not depend on x, then the calculator's answer is correct. You treat y as a constant in that case.

If y does depend on x, then you have to use the chain rule in addition to the rules you used:

[tex]\frac{d}{dx} (x^2 y^2) = 2xy^2 + 2x^2 y \frac{dy}{dx}[/tex]

Notice that if y is constant (not dependent on x), then

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx} = 0[/tex]

so the above reduces to your calculator's answer.
 
@Ray Vickson: That's a good question... I had a brainfart lol.

@jbunniii: Yeah, y is dependent on x... I forgot to mention that this is part of an Imp. Diff. problem. Thanks!
 

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