Product Rule Proof: Solve Using Limits

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The discussion revolves around proving the product rule for derivatives using limits. The original poster (OP) has initiated the proof but is seeking clarification on the reasoning behind each step taken in the process.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of the definition of the derivative and suggest methods for manipulating expressions to facilitate the proof. There are questions about notation and the clarity of the steps taken by the OP.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the proof, suggesting techniques for adding and subtracting terms to simplify the expression. The OP expresses confusion but is encouraged to continue the discussion for further assistance.

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There is a mention of the OP's desire to follow a specific method as introduced by their teacher, which may limit the exploration of alternative approaches. The discussion also highlights the potential challenges in understanding the proof techniques involved.

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I know there are other ways to obtain the product rule proff but my teacher got me started and I want to finish it this way and also have you guys explain WHY to do each step.

So far I have:

(f(x)g(x))' = f'(x)g(x) + f(x)g'(x)

lim (F(x+h) - F(x))/h as h->0

lim (f(x+h)g(x+h) - f(x)g(x))/h as h->0

and now I'm stuck, lol, thanks!
 
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So all you've done is to apply the definition of "derivative" to (fg)'(x)? That's the obvious first step. I'm confused by the fact that you're saying that you want to do it your way, when you're not actually suggesting a way to proceed.

The standard trick is similar to this: [tex]\frac{A-B}{h}=\frac{A+0-B}{h}=\frac{A+(-C+C)-B}{h}=\frac{(A-C)+(C-B)}{h}[/tex] You just need to choose an appropriate thing to add and subtract from the numerator, something like the C in my example. Note that the above is true no matter what C is, so you can choose it to be anything you want it to be.

I don't like the notation (f(x)g(x))' because (something)' is supposed to mean "the derivative of the function between the parentheses", but f(x)g(x) isn't a function. It's a number. You want the derivative of "the function that takes x to f(x)g(x) for all x". This function is denoted by fg, not f(x)g(x). Just to clarify that last point: fg is the function defined by [itex](fg)(x)=f(x)g(x)[/itex] for all x.
 
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Fredrik said:
So all you've done is to apply the definition of "derivative" to (fg)'(x)? That's the obvious first step. I'm confused by the fact that you're saying that you want to do it your way, when you're not actually suggesting a way to proceed.

The standard trick is similar to this: [tex]\frac{A-B}{h}=\frac{A+0-B}{h}=\frac{A+(-C+C)-B}{h}=\frac{(A-C)+(C-B)}{h}[/tex] You just need to choose an appropriate thing to add and subtract from the numerator, something like the C in my example. Note that the above is true no matter what C is, so you can choose it to be anything you want it to be.

I don't like the notation (f(x)g(x))' because (something)' is supposed to mean "the derivative of the function between the parentheses", but f(x)g(x) isn't a function. It's a number. You want the derivative of "the function that takes x to f(x)g(x) for all x". This function is denoted by fg, not f(x)g(x). Just to clarify that last point: fg is the function defined by [itex](fg)(x)=f(x)g(x)[/itex] for all x.
Thank you! I always knew that you have to add and subtract the same quantity but the way you wrote it was very crisp, clear, and added a bit of "rigor" for lack of better words to the technique! It would definitely help in future proofs.

OP, don't be disappointed if you are a bit confused. This type of proof can be a bit tricky because the techniques seems unmotivated and random. Reply back and we will help you out!
 
I write
f(x+h)=f(x)+[f(x+h)-f(x)]
g(x+h)=g(x)+[g(x+h)-g(x)]
 
lurflurf said:
I write
f(x+h)=f(x)+[f(x+h)-f(x)]
g(x+h)=g(x)+[g(x+h)-g(x)]

How do you get to that conclusion? Can you pronounce your lines of thought behind the reasoning above?

Edit: Hmm clever. I see it now. Would that make it easier to prove the problem?
 

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