Progressive wave, wavelength moving in the opposite direction

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The discussion revolves around understanding the wavelength of progressive waves moving in different directions, specifically in the +z and -z directions. The original poster presents equations related to wave functions and attempts to reconcile the differing wavelengths observed for waves traveling in opposite directions.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the wavelength using the wave function and related equations, questioning why the wavelengths differ for waves moving in opposite directions. Some participants explore the implications of the variable n in the wave equation, while others express uncertainty about how to determine its value.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the relationships between wave direction, wavelength, and the variable n. There is a recognition of multiple potential solutions based on the parameters provided, but no consensus has been reached on how to definitively choose the value of n for the specific case of the wave moving in the +z direction.

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Participants note the lack of additional information that would help determine the appropriate value for n, which contributes to the ambiguity in finding a singular wavelength for the wave moving in the +z direction.

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Homework Statement
Finding the wavelength. if the wave is moving in the +z direction and -z direction.
Relevant Equations
##\Psi(z=15cm,t) = \hat{x} 6 cos (\frac{\pi}{3}t)##
##\Psi(z=12cm,t + 2s) = \Psi(z=18cm,t)##
I'm trying to find the wavelength. However, I don't understand why the wavelength is different if the wave is moving in the +z direction.

I have
##\Psi(z=15cm,t) = \hat{x} 6 cos (\frac{\pi}{3}t)##
##\Psi(z=12cm,t + 2s) = \Psi(z=18cm,t)##

For a wave moving on the -z direction

I know that the wavelength = ##\frac{2\pi}{\kappa}## and the shape of the wave is describe by this function ##x(z,t) = A cos(\omega t +\kappa z + \alpha_0)##

##\kappa = \frac{\omega}{v}, \omega = \frac{\pi}{3}## and ##v = 12-18/(t+2)-t = -3##

thus, the wavelength = ##\frac{2\pi}{\pi/9} = 18 ##, which is the right answer.

However, for a wave moving in the +z direction the wavelength is 9cm. Why is this different ?The velocity isn't the same? how can I find it.
 
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Redwaves said:
Homework Statement:: Finding the wavelength. if the wave is moving in the +z direction and -z direction.
Relevant Equations:: ##\Psi(z=15cm,t) = \hat{x} 6 cos (\frac{\pi}{3}t)##
##\Psi(z=12cm,t + 2s) = \Psi(z=18cm,t)##

I'm trying to find the wavelength. However, I don't understand why the wavelength is different if the wave is moving in the +z direction.

I have
##\Psi(z=15cm,t) = \hat{x} 6 cos (\frac{\pi}{3}t)##
##\Psi(z=12cm,t + 2s) = \Psi(z=18cm,t)##

For a wave moving on the -z direction

I know that the wavelength = ##\frac{2\pi}{\kappa}## and the shape of the wave is describe by this function ##x(z,t) = A cos(\omega t +\kappa z + \alpha_0)##

##\kappa = \frac{\omega}{v}, \omega = \frac{\pi}{3}## and ##v = 12-18/(t+2)-t = -3##

thus, the wavelength = ##\frac{2\pi}{\pi/9} = 18 ##, which is the right answer.

However, for a wave moving in the +z direction the wavelength is 9cm. Why is this different ?The velocity isn't the same? how can I find it.
In general, we are given: $$\Psi(z_1, t+ t_1) = \Psi(z_2, t)$$Which implies that$$wt_1 = k(z_2 - z_1) \pm 2\pi n$$This gives us an infinite number of solutions, depending on the direction of motion and how many wavelengths there are between the points ##z_1## and ##z_2##.

If we take ##n = 0##, then we have $$\lambda = \frac{2\pi}{k} = 2\pi\frac{z_2 - z_1}{wt_1}$$And, in this case we have $$\lambda = 18cm$$. But, as above, there are infinitely many other solutions - one for ecah value of ##n##.
 
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How we know which value for n we choose? In my example., how can I know that for a wave moving in the +z direction n is -1?
 
Redwaves said:
How we know which value for n we choose? In my example., how can I know that for a wave moving in the +z direction n is -1?
You don't know. Unless you have additional information, then there are multiple solutions.
 
In my case it should have a way to find wavelength since, that what I have to find.

Edit: from the information above, I have to find the wavelength.
Tell me if I'm not clear.
 
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