Projection of intersection line

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The problem involves finding the projection of the intersection between two surfaces defined by the equations S1: z = 4 - x^2 - y^2 and S2: 4x^2y = 1 (for x > 0) onto the xy-plane.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss equalizing the two surface equations and the implications of setting z to zero. There are questions about the validity of these steps and their relevance to finding the intersection and its projection.

Discussion Status

Some participants are exploring the relationship between the surfaces and the projection process, while others are questioning the steps taken and suggesting alternative approaches. There is an ongoing examination of the geometric interpretation of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that there may be confusion regarding the projection process and the interpretation of the equations involved. The discussion includes considerations of the directional derivative and tangent vectors related to the intersection curve.

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Homework Statement



Find the projection of the intersection between the two surfaces

S1: z = 4-x^2 - y^2 and
S2: 4x^2y = 1 (x>0)

in the xy-plane

2. The attempt at a solution

4-x^2 - y^2 = 4x^2y -1

Is this all I need to do?
 
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kasse said:
Is this all I need to do?
What is it that you did?
 
Equalised the equations, with z = 0.
 
kasse said:
Equaled the equations, with z = 0.
(You can't set two equations equal... but I think I know what you meant)
(And you were looking for a geometric object, not an equation... but I assume you meant to say the object described by that equation)

Does that process have anything to do with finding the intersection of the two surfaces? Or with projecting that intersection to the x-y plane? If so, then you're done. If not, then you're not.
 
The problem is:

How steep is the path C (the intersection between the curves) at the point S over the (1, 1/4)?

My plan is to find the directional derivative in the direction of the tangent of the projection of C in the xy-plane. What do I do next then?
 
What you did initially was replace z in the first equation by the left side of the second equation. But there is no "z" in the second equation- in particular, it was NOT z= 4x^2y
Since 1= 4x^2y, x^2= 1/(4y). Replacing x^2 by that in the first equation, z= 4- x^2- y^2= 4- 1/(4y)+ y^2. Now project by letting z= 0: y^2- 1/(4y)+ 4= 0.

However, there really is no reason to project to the xy-plane. What you want is the derivative of z= 4- x^2- y^2 in the direction of the tangent to the curve x^2y= 1 in the xy-plane. What is the tangent vector to that curve? What is the derivative of z in the direction of that vector?
 

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