Projective Plane ... Cox et al - Section 8.1, Exs 5(a) & 5(b)

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The discussion revolves around Exercises 5(a) and 5(b) from Chapter 8, Section 1 of "Ideals, Varieties and Algorithms," focusing on the projective plane and transformations related to algebraic curves. Participants are exploring how to express a given curve in a homogeneous form suitable for projective geometry.

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  • Participants discuss the need for a homogeneous equation compatible with the curve defined by ##y=x^2##. One suggestion involves using the equation ##yz=x^2## to represent the curve in projective space. There are inquiries about general methods for transforming curves from ##\mathbb{R}^2## to ##\mathbb{P}^2(\mathbb{R})##, and questions about the meaning of 'tangent to' in the projective context.

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The conversation is active, with participants sharing insights and methods for achieving a homogeneous representation of curves. Some have provided specific equations and reasoning, while others are seeking clarification on certain terms and concepts. There is no explicit consensus yet, as participants are still exploring various aspects of the exercises.

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Participants note the importance of ensuring the equations are homogeneous and well-defined in the context of projective geometry. There is also mention of the need to understand specific terminology used in the exercises, which may affect the approach to parts (c) and (d).

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I am reading the undergraduate introduction to algebraic geometry entitled "Ideals, Varieties and Algorithms: An introduction to Computational Algebraic Geometry and Commutative Algebra (Third Edition) by David Cox, John Little and Donal O'Shea ... ...

I am currently focused on Chapter 8, Section 1: The Projective Plane ... ... and need help getting started with Exercises 5(a) and 5(b) ... ...Exercise 5 in Section 8.1 reads as follows:

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Can someone please help me to get started on Exercises 5(a) and 5(b) shown above ...

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The definitions 1, 2 and 3 in Cox et al Section 8.1 may be relevant ... see the text provided below ...
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I am very unsure how to start on this exercise ... but i suspect that the following transformation or map as given in Cox et al Section 8.1 directly after Definition 3 is involved:

##\mathbb{R}^2 \longrightarrow \mathbb{P}^2 ( \mathbb{R} ) ##

where ##(x, y) \in \mathbb{R}^2## is sent to the point ##p \in \mathbb{P}^2 ( \mathbb{R} )## whose homogeneous coordinates are ##(x, y, 1)##Hope someone can help ...

Peter

======================================================================To give readers of the above post some idea of the context of the exercise and also the notation I am providing some relevant text from Cox et al ... ... as follows:
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I can have a go at (a).
We want the equation to be compatible with the equation ##y=x^2## and we also want it to give a well-defined curve, which means it must be homogeneous in x,y and z.

A simple equation that satisfies both those is ##yz=x^2##. Then for ##z=1## this gives the original equation. Any point in ##\mathbb R^2## with nonzero ##z## is the same as a point with ##z=1##. The only other points are those with ##z=0##, which are at infinity. For such points we will also have, courtesy of the equation, ##x=0##. So the set of points on the curve at infinity are those on the y-axis in ##\mathbb R^2##. This comprises two equivalence classes: [(0,0,0)] and [(0,1,0)]. So there are two points at infinity, which sounds like what we would want for a parabola (which answers part (b)).

So far so good. I haven't thought about c or d yet.
 
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I can have a go at (a).
We want the equation to be compatible with the equation ##y=x^2## and we also want it to give a well-defined curve, which means it must be homogeneous in x,y and z.

A simple equation that satisfies both those is ##yz=x^2##. Then for ##z=1## this gives the original equation. Any point in ##\mathbb R^2## with nonzero ##z## is the same as a point with ##z=1##. The only other points are those with ##z=0##, which are at infinity. For such points we will also have, courtesy of the equation, ##x=0##. So the set of points on the curve at infinity are those on the y-axis in ##\mathbb R^2##. This comprises two equivalence classes: [(0,0,0)] and [(0,1,0)]. So there are two points at infinity, which sounds like what we would want for a parabola (which answers part (b)).

So far so good. I haven't thought about c or d yet.

Thanks for the help Andrew ... but ... your solution seems to have been achieved with some good insight ...

Is there a method or process for transforming curves in ##\mathbb{R}^2## to curves in ##\mathbb{P}^2 ( \mathbb{R} )##?

Thanks again ...

Peter

P.S. if you have any ideas about parts (c) and (d) please let me know ...
 
I don't know of any general method but, for curves whose equations are polynomial in x and y, the method is easy enough. You just write out the equation and find the degree of each term, which is the exponent for x plus the exponent for y. Let M be the highest such degree in the equation. Then, to make the equation homogeneous, we multiply each term by ##z^{M-d}## where ##d## is the degree of the term. We then have an equation that is homogeneous - hence making a well-defined curve in the projective plane - and which also involves ##z##.

There are a couple of examples of this technique in the author's discussion following Proposition 4.

(d) is easy. Just set ##x## equal to any nonzero constant, such as 1. The equation then becomes ##yz=1##, which is the classic hyperbola equation.

To do (c) we'd need to understand what the author means by 'tangent to' in the context of a projective plane. Do you know what he means by that?
 
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I don't know of any general method but, for curves whose equations are polynomial in x and y, the method is easy enough. You just write out the equation and find the degree of each term, which is the exponent for x plus the exponent for y. Let M be the highest such degree in the equation. Then, to make the equation homogeneous, we multiply each term by ##z^{M-d}## where ##d## is the degree of the term. We then have an equation that is homogeneous - hence making a well-defined curve in the projective plane - and which also involves ##z##.

There are a couple of examples of this technique in the author's discussion following Proposition 4.

(d) is easy. Just set ##x## equal to any nonzero constant, such as 1. The equation then becomes ##yz=1##, which is the classic hyperbola equation.

To do (c) we'd need to understand what the author means by 'tangent to' in the context of a projective plane. Do you know what he means by that?
Thanks Andrew ...

By the way, your approach seems to be a general method to extend algebraic curves in the Euclidean plane to the Projective plane ... the book: "Conics and Cubics: A Concrete Introduction to Algebraic Curves"by Robert Bix outlines the method as follows:
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