Proof: G/H1 is Isomorphic to H2/K for G with Normal Subgroups H1 and H2

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the isomorphism between the quotient group G/H1 and the group H2/K, where G has normal subgroups H1 and H2, and K is defined as the intersection of H1 and H2. The focus is on the implications of G/H1 being simple and the properties of the involved groups.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests setting up a homomorphism with K as the kernel but notes complications due to H2 not being normal in H1.
  • Another participant corrects an earlier statement, indicating that G/H1 being simple means there is no normal subgroup A of G that H1 is normal in.
  • A participant points out that the quotient map $\pi:G\to G/H_1$ maps H2 to a normal subgroup of G/H1, which must be the whole of G/H1 due to its simplicity, and proposes showing that the kernel of the homomorphism $\pi|_{H_2}$ is equal to K.
  • A later reply reiterates the previous point about the kernel of the homomorphism, indicating a return to earlier ideas.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of G/H1 being simple and the normality of H2 in relation to H1. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to demonstrate the isomorphism.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about the normality of subgroups and the implications of simplicity, which are not fully explored.

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Let
G be a group with normal subgroups H1 and H2 with H2 not a subset of H1. Let K = H1 intersect H2.


Show that if G/H1 is simple, then G/H1 is isomorphic to H2/K.


My first thought was to set up a homomorphism with K as the kernel but soon realized that the fact that H2 was not normal is H1 scuppered this tactic. G/H1 being simple implies that H1 is the largest proper normal subgroup but where to go from there?



 
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Just realized that my last sentence is incorrect. G/H1 being simple means there is no normal subgroup A of G which H1 is normal in.
 
The quotient map $\pi:G\to G/H_1$ maps $H_2$ to a normal subgroup of $G/H_1$. This normal subgroup contains more than just the identity element, so by simplicity it must be the whole of $G/H_1$. Now show that the kernel of the homomorphism $\pi|_{H_2}$ is equal to $K$.
 
Opalg said:
The quotient map $\pi:G\to G/H_1$ maps $H_2$ to a normal subgroup of $G/H_1$. This normal subgroup contains more than just the identity element, so by simplicity it must be the whole of $G/H_1$. Now show that the kernel of the homomorphism $\pi|_{H_2}$ is equal to $K$.

Ah, my first ideas were correct.
 

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