Proof of expectation value for a dynamic observable

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The discussion focuses on proving the equation d/dt = <{A,H}> for a dynamic observable, where <{A,H}> represents the Poisson Bracket. The participants explore the application of the Liouville theorem and the cyclic property of the trace, specifically Tr(ABC) = Tr(BCA) = Tr(CAB), to manipulate the equation. A key point raised is the need to validate the substitution of Tr(A{H,ρ}) with Tr({A,H}ρ), which remains unresolved in the conversation. The challenge lies in effectively handling the Poisson bracket within the context of quantum mechanics.

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Homework Statement


Show that:
d<A(q,p)>/dt=<{A,H}>, where {A,H} is a Poisson Bracket

Homework Equations


Liouville theorem

The Attempt at a Solution


<A>=Tr(Aρ)⇒d<A>/dt=Tr(Adρ/dt)=Tr(A{H,ρ})
So, in order to get the correct result, Tr(A{H,ρ}) must be equal to Tr({A,H}ρ), but I don't think I can do that substitution. Is it valid? How can I prove that?
 
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Use the cyclic property of the trace: Tr(ABC) = Tr(BCA) = Tr(CAB).
 
vela said:
Use the cyclic property of the trace: Tr(ABC) = Tr(BCA) = Tr(CAB).
But there is a Poisson Bracket in it...
 
Good point.
 
So? lol
 
Try expanding out the Poisson bracket and see if there's something you can do with the derivatives.
 
No luck :(
 
Bump...
 

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