Proof of Limit by Definition for (sin^2(x))/(x^2) as x Approaches 0

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The discussion revolves around finding the limit of (sin^2(x))/(x^2) as x approaches 0, focusing on the epsilon-delta definition of limits.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the limit's value and discuss the implications of the limit of sin(x)/x as x approaches 0. There are attempts to apply the epsilon-delta definition and the squeeze theorem, with some participants questioning the validity of certain estimates and reasoning.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering insights and alternative approaches. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of the squeeze theorem and the relationship between sin(x) and x, but there is no explicit consensus on the final approach or solution.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of confusion regarding the behavior of |f(x) - 1| as x approaches 0, and participants express uncertainty about how to derive delta values from their reasoning. The discussion also highlights the need to consider the interval of x when applying certain inequalities.

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Homework Statement



find the limit as x -> 0 of (sin^2(x))/(x^2)

Homework Equations



limit as x -> xo (fx) = L iff for every epsilon (>0) there exists a delta (>0) st if
| x - xo | < delta then |f(x) - L | < epsilon



The Attempt at a Solution



Let epsilon be positive. I believe the limit equals one, so I will proceed there.
then

| (sin^2(x))/x^2 - 1| < epsion if | x | < delta

But | f(x) - 1| <= |1/x^2 - 1| . And this is where I get stuck. If I pick delta to be small, and |x| < delta,
| (f(x)) - 1 | becomes very large, and thus is not being bound by any epsilon.
 
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|f(x)-1| does NOT become very large as x->0. Did you experiment with some numbers, like x=0.01,x=0.0001, etc? Do you know anything about the limit of sin(x)/x as x->0?
 
Dick said:
|f(x)-1| does NOT become very large as x->0. Did you experiment with some numbers, like x=0.01,x=0.0001, etc? Do you know anything about the limit of sin(x)/x as x->0?

You are right, I meant to say that

|1/x^2 - 1| becomes large as x -> 0, which confused me, because

| f(x) - 1| <= |1/x^2 - 1|, which i get because | sin^2(x) | <= 1, so then | sin^2(x)/x^2 - 1 | <= |1/x^2 - 1 |


The limit of sin(x)/x equals 1 when x approaches 0. Are you suggesting that I use the fact that
sin(x)/x has limit 1 at x = 0 and the theorem that if lim f exists and equals L1 at some point xo and lim g exists at the same xo and equals L2, then lim f*g = L1*L2, which then I could use to lim sin^2(x)/x^2 =
lim (sin(x)/x)*(sin(x)/x) = 1 * 1 = 1. Yes, but then I need to prove that lim sin(x)/x equals 1. How would I do this by epsilon-delta definition of limits ( I know how to with squeeze theorem)? I would basically be stuck in the same mess I have above.
 
|sin(x)^2/x^2-1|<=|1/x^2-1| is just not a very good estimate of |f(x)-1|. How do you prove sin(x)/x=1 using the squeeze theorem? You should be able to express that logic in epsilon-delta form. You might also notice |f(x)-1|=|sin(x)/x-1|*|sin(x)/x+1|.
 
| cos(x) | <= | (sin x)/x | <= | 1 |
Is how I would use the squeeze theorem to solve this one. But then I have no idea how to get from there to a delta, or reduction of | (sin x)/x | to | x | from which I can pull a delta. I have been searching the web for a few hours and have found 0 proofs that (sin x)/x has limit equal to 1. There was a place that had it listed as an exercise of finding deltas, but gave no explanation of how to find one. So I remain stuck.

One other idea I had is
| sin(x)/x | <= | sin(x) | <= | x |

Then you get stuck by the triangle inequality trying to bring back (sin x)/x - 1, the closest I got is:
| sin(x)/x - 1 + 1 | <= | sin(x)/x - 1 + 1 | <= | x - 1 + 1 |
 
I think I'm better at searching the web than you are. I found this:

Multiply 1-cos(x) by (1+cos(x))/(1+cos(x)) and get (1-cos(x)^2)/(1+cos(x))=sin(x)^2/(1+cos(x))<=sin(x)^2 (for small x). You also have sin(x)<=x. So put it all together and get 1-cos(x)<=x^2. So:

1-x^2<=sin(x)/x<=1. Does that look like a form you can use?
 
Dick said:
I think I'm better at searching the web than you are. I found this:

Multiply 1-cos(x) by (1+cos(x))/(1+cos(x)) and get (1-cos(x)^2)/(1+cos(x))=sin(x)^2/(1+cos(x))<=sin(x)^2 (for small x). You also have sin(x)<=x. So put it all together and get 1-cos(x)<=x^2. So:

1-x^2<=sin(x)/x<=1. Does that look like a form you can use?


Oh, I never said I was good at searching the web, only that I had done it for a while...

Anyways, I like where you went with this. Basically:

|sin x| < |x| . This implies that |(sin x)/x| < |x/x| = 1.

On the other hand, if x is in the open interval (0,pi/2) then | x | < | tan x |, so we get that

| x/sin(x) | < | (tan x) / (sin x) | = | 1/(cos x) |. Then you reciprocate the rationals over the inequality to get that:

| cos x | < | (sin x) / x|. Then you put the two of these together to get:

| cox x | < | (sin x) / x| < 1. (1)

Now for the next bit, we will need again that (sin anynumber) < anynumber, and the famous identity sin^2(x) + cos^2(x) = 1, and then we can use your trick:
(1- cos x) * (1 + cos x)/(1 + cos x) = (1 - (cos x)^2)/(1+ cos x) = ((sin x)^2)/(1+ cos x) <= (sin x)^2
But because (sin x) < x, we get that (1 - cos x) < (x)^2. Then:
- cos x < x^2 -1 (2) , and further
cos x > 1 - x^2. Now because we have limited x to the open interval (0,pi/2), and from the inequalities (1) and (2)

1 - x^2 < (sin x)/x < 1 , and now the big one
- x^2 < (sin x)/x - 1 <0 (3)and zero is obviously less than epsilon (which is chosen positive). However, this is not complete, the above will not hold on all intervals, particularly the above holds when x is in (0,pi/2) in other words | x | < pi/2. Notice that,
(sin x) / x - 1 < x^2
And so if delta equals sqrt(epsilon) we get that if | x | < delta
then (sin x) / x - 1 < x^2 < epsilon
We need to pick delta to be the min of pi/2 and sqrt(epsilon).
 
Yes, I think that does it. You shouldn't have any troubles extending that to get the delta for sin(x)^2/x^2.
 

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