Proof of one of the properties of Real Coordinate Vector Spaces

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The discussion revolves around proving the existence of an additive identity in the context of real coordinate vector spaces, specifically focusing on the vector space R^n. The original poster presents attempts to demonstrate that the zero vector, denoted as 0, satisfies the property v + 0 = v for all vectors v in R^n.

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  • Participants explore the validity of different proofs regarding the existence of the zero vector and its properties. The original poster questions whether the professor's proof assumes the existence of the zero vector, while others clarify that R^n inherently includes the zero vector.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and clarifications about the definitions and properties of vectors in R^n. Some participants suggest that the original poster's reasoning is incomplete, while others emphasize the need to explicitly demonstrate the additive identity property.

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There is an ongoing debate about the assumptions made regarding the zero vector and its role as the additive identity. Participants are navigating the definitions and properties of vector addition within the framework of real coordinate spaces.

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1. Homework Statement

Prove that there is an additive identity 0∈R^n: For all v∈R^n, v+0=v2. Homework Equations

Axiom of Real Numbers:
There is an additive identity 0∈R : For all a∈R, a+0=a and o+a=a

3. The Attempt at a Solution

Solution 1 (My own attempt)
: Let v=(v1, v2, v3... vn). Then by axiom of R (as stated above), for every vi (i=1, 2..., n) there exists 0∈R such that vi+0=vi. Thus, there exists 0=(0,0,...0)∈R^n.

Solution 2 (Professor's Attempt)
: Let 0=(0,0,...0)∈R^n
then v+0=(v1, v2 ... vn) + (0,0...0)
=(v1+0, v2+0, ... vn+0)
=(v1, v2 ... vn) - by axiom of R (as stated above)
=v

However, I think solution 2 has a problem that it assumed existence of 0 when the question is asking to prove its existence. Or is my thought wrong? And also, is there anything wrong with solution 1?
 
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The professor wrote down a vector (0,0,...,0) which he then called the zero vector. He proved that this vector satisfied the required property, he didn't assume that it satisfied the property required.Your attempt ends too early in my opinion. You constructed a vector which you call 0, but at no point do you actually write down the line v+0=v which is what you need to prove happens (it only really requires one additional line to finish it)

Your confusion seems to stem from notation. 0 is often used to refer to the vector which is the additive identity. However, in both your proof and the professor's 0 is referring to a vector of all zeros - this is not a priori the additive identity. It's just a name being given to a vector, and you have to prove it satisfies the additive identity property
 
Your professor is using the fact that, from the definition of Rn, Rn contains (0, 0, ..., 0). He then proves that it is the 0 vector.
 
Office_Shredder said:
The professor wrote down a vector (0,0,...,0) which he then called the zero vector. He proved that this vector satisfied the required property, he didn't assume that it satisfied the property required.

Well, but the question is asking to prove its existence. Then, I think we can't just write down a vector (0,0...,0) (zero vector) because we do not know its existene. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Office_Shredder said:
(it only really requires one additional line to finish it)

Also, I do not get what you mean by this.
 
jwqwerty said:
Well, but the question is asking to prove its existence. Then, I think we can't just write down a vector (0,0...,0) (zero vector) because we do not know its existence. Please correct me if I am wrong.

You are wrong. ##R^n## is the set of all n-tuples of real numbers, and that includes ##\vec 0 = (0,0,0,...,0)##. You just have to prove the vector I denoted ##\vec 0## has the additive identity property.
 
LCKurtz said:
You are wrong. ##R^n## is the set of all n-tuples of real numbers, and that includes ##\vec 0 = (0,0,0,...,0)##. You just have to prove the vector I denoted ##\vec 0## has the additive identity property.

Ok i understand the second solution. But why is my solution wrong? I think the first solution has no logical flaws.
 
jwqwerty said:
Solution 1 (My own attempt)
: Let v=(v1, v2, v3... vn). Then by axiom of R (as stated above), for every vi (i=1, 2..., n) there exists 0∈R such that vi+0=vi. Thus, there exists 0=(0,0,...0)∈R^n.

jwqwerty said:
Ok i understand the second solution. But why is my solution wrong? I think the first solution has no logical flaws.

Your argument is incomplete, that's all. Your statement that there exists ## (0,0,0...,0)\in R^n## doesn't need proof. The fact that you named that vector 0 doesn't make it the additive identity. You have all you need but you just need to write down the steps for$$
\vec 0 + \vec v = \hbox{use the definition of vector addition and your first two sentences here to get }=\vec v$$ and its commutative cousin.
 

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