Proof: Parabola reflects light to the focus

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The discussion centers on proving the reflective property of a parabola, specifically the equation y = kx². Participants analyze the intersection of a vertical line x = a with the parabola and derive the tangent line at that point. They conclude that the parabola does not reflect light to the focus (0, 0.25) as initially claimed, emphasizing the need for precise formulation and understanding of angles and tangent lines in the context of light reflection.

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  • Understanding of parabolic equations, specifically y = kx².
  • Knowledge of calculus, particularly derivatives and tangent lines.
  • Familiarity with geometric properties of angles, including angles of incidence and reflection.
  • Basic vector mathematics for analyzing directions of light rays and tangents.
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Homework Statement


The title.

Homework Equations


##y=mx+c##
$$\frac{dy}{dx}(kx^2)=2kx$$

The Attempt at a Solution


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I have proved that the angle of reflection will be a° since the angle of incidence=a° The picture will speak for itself.
The red line is the normal,perpendicular to the green tangent.

But how do I prove that it reflects light to the focus, which is (0,0.25)?
 
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The parabola DOES NOT REFLECT light to the focus.

For example, any ray issued from the focus never goes back to the focus.
 
maajdl said:
The parabola DOES NOT REFLECT light to the focus.
Oh. I forgot to mention that the light rays are coming vertically down
 
You need to be more precise.
Your picture is not available, and the second equation(s) is unreadable.
You might solve your problem if you care to formulate it clearly.
 
I have no idea what "y= mx+ c" has to do with this problem.

Your parabola is y= kx^2, is that right?

A vertical line has x= a for constant a:

1) Where does the line x= a intersect the parabola?

2) What is the equation of the tangent line at that point?

3) What angle does the line x= a make with the tangent line?

4) What is the equation of the other line making that same angle with the tangent line?

5) Where does that line cross the y-axis?

(Since the slope of a line is the tangent of the angle it makes with the x-axis, you may want to use the fact that tan(\theta+ \phi)= \frac{tan(\theta)+ tan(\phi)}{1+ tan(\theta)tan(\phi)})

(When I first did this kind of problem, I found it easier to put the parabola's axis along the x-axis, so that y= \sqrt{x} and then use a horizontal line y= c.)
 
HallsofIvy said:
I have no idea what "y= mx+ c" has to do with this problem.
It has to do with this:
2) What is the equation of the tangent line at that point?
HallsofIvy said:
1) Where does the line x= a intersect the parabola?
##(f(a),a)## which is ##(ka^2,a)##
HallsofIvy said:
2) What is the equation of the tangent line at that point?
##y=mx+c##
##y=2ka(x)+c##
##ka^2=2ka(x)+c##
##y=2ka(x)+ka^2-2ka(x)##
##y=ka^2## :confused:
What? Am I missing something here?
 
maajdl said:
Your picture is not available
I saw the picture before. I just deleted the cache and saw that the picture was broken.Well, I don't need the picture anymore!
 
adjacent said:
It has to do with this: ##(f(a),a)## which is ##(ka^2,a)##
NO. The vertical line x= a crosses the parabola y= kx^2 at y= ka^2. That is the point (a, ka^2). But having x and y reversed did not affect the rest.

##y=mx+c##
##y=2ka(x)+c##
Okay, it is correct that the slope at x= a is 2ka.

##ka^2=2ka(x)+c##
No, y= ka^2 only at x= a. You should have ka^2= 2ka(a)+ c
so that c= -ka^2

##y=2ka(x)+ka^2-2ka(x)##
##y=ka^2## :confused:
What? Am I missing something here?
You missed the fact that the tangent line touches the parabola only at x= a.
y= 2kax- ka^2
The important thing is that the slope (so the tangent of the angle the tangent line make with the horizontal) is 2ka. So the vertical line, x= a, makes angle \theta with the tangent line so that cot(\theta)= 2ka
 
Oh. I reversed the x and y by mistake.
How did ##ka^2= 2ka(a)+ c## suddenly become ##y= 2kax- ka^2##?
Shouldn't it be ##y= 2ka^2- ka^2##?

And what is cot? Why can't we use tan there since ##\tan(\theta)=\frac{\Delta y}{\Delta x}##?
 
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The equation ka^2= 2ka(a)+ c is true only at x= a. I used that to find the "c" in
y= mx+ c= 2kax+ c: From ka^2= 2ka^2+ c, c= -ka^2.
 
  • #11
Ok. Let's do it again!
HallsofIvy said:
A vertical line has x= a for constant a:
1) Where does the line x= a intersect the parabola?
##(a,ka^2)##
HallsofIvy said:
2) What is the equation of the tangent line at that point?
##y=2kax-kx^2##
HallsofIvy said:
3) What angle does the line x= a make with the tangent line?
##|180-[90+\tan^{-1}(2ka)]|##
HallsofIvy said:
4) What is the equation of the other line making that same angle with the tangent line?
That's difficult. Any hints?
 
  • #12
First let's state the problem decently:

- equation of the parabola: y = k x²
- equation of an incident light ray parallel to the axis of the parabola: x = a
- question: show that the incident light ray is reflected in the direction of the focus

Let's now bite the cake.

direction of the incident light ray: d1 = (0, 1)
position of the reflection point: p = (a, ka²)
direction of the tangent to the mirror at the reflection point: t = (1, 2ka)
direction of the normal to the mirror at the reflection point: n = (-2ka,1)
direction of the reflected ray: d2 = (m, n)
how to determine (m, n):
first: d2 has the same projection along t than d1
second: d2 has the opposite projection along n compared to d1

Justify all the steps above, explain the reasoning.
Then solve for m and n.
Then write the equation of the reflected ray.
Then calculate where the reflected ray crosses the y axis.
The result should be simple: the focus.
 
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maajdl said:
direction of the incident light ray: d1 = (0, 1)

I don't really understand what you meant here.:confused:
 
  • #14
maajdl said:
First let's state the problem decently:

- equation of the parabola: y = k x²
- equation of an incident light ray parallel to the axis of the parabola: x = a
- question: show that the incident light ray is reflected in the direction of the focus

Let's now bite the cake.
This is difficult to understand. It would be better to distinguish between vectors (your "direction") and points.

direction of the incident light ray: d1 = (0, 1)
The vector \vec{j} or <0, 1>

position of the reflection point: p = (a, ka²)
and this is a point.

direction of the tangent to the mirror at the reflection point: t = (1, 2ka)
the derivative of y= kx^2 is y&#039;= 2kx, and a vector in that direction, at x= a is \vec{i}+ 2ka\vec{j} or <1, 2ka>

reflection of the normal to the mirror at the reflection point: n = (-2ka,1)
The normal has 0 dot product with the tangent vector and <1, 2ka>.<-2ka, 1>= 0.

direction of the reflected ray: d2 = (m, n)
The vector is <m, n> for some numbers m and n.

how to determine (m, n):
first: d2 has the same projection along t than d1
second: d2 has the opposite projection along n compared to d1

Justify all the steps above, explain the reasoning.
Then solve for m and n.
Then write the equation of the reflected ray.
Then calculate where the reflected ray crosses the y axis.
The result should be simple: the focus.
 
  • #15
Oh my god. Vectors made it more difficult. I'm in Gr.10 so this problem is not even in my syllabus but I know differential calculus so I thought I can solve this.
 
  • #16
Two proofs of this reflective property

You can find the essence of 2 different proofs of this property at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parabola#Proof_of_the_reflective_property

Here is a more complete proof using the diagram for the first proof shown at that site:

1. Draw FC and label its intersection with AD as point B
2. The point A on the parabola goes through the origin and is equidistant to the focus and directrix. Since the directrix is parallel to the X axis and through point C, AF=DC (this last expression is shorthand for "the length of line segment AF is equal to the length of line segment DC")
3. Angle FBA = angle DBC (opposite angles are equal)
4. Right Triangles FAB and BDC are congruent (essentially angle-side-angle)
5. AB=BD (corresponding sides of congruent triangles)
6. FB=BC (corresponding sides of congruent triangles)
7. EF = EC (all points on the parabola must be equidistant from the focus and the directrix)
8. Triangle FEB is congruent to triangle EBC (side-side-side)
9. Let the coordinates of E be (X,kX2). Then in triangle EBD, BD = X/2 (see step 5) and DE = kX2. The slope of BE is then the length of segment DE divided by the length of segment BD, which is equal to 2kX. We previously showed that the slope of the tangent through point E was also 2kX (using calculus). Therefore, line BE is the tangent of the parabola through E.
10. The angle of incidence = angle BED because they are equal opposite angles
11. Because triangle FEB is congruent to triangle BED, angle BED = angle FEB
12. The angle of incidence = angle FEB by the two previous steps. Thus the angle of reflection (originally created by drawing a line from E to the focus F is equal to the angle of incidence. Thus the lines drawn correspond to the physics rules about rays of light reflecting from a surface.
 
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