Proof: Partition Function of 3 Systems A, B, & C

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The discussion revolves around the partition function for three systems A, B, and C, specifically the relationship Z_{ABC}=Z_{A}Z_{B}Z_{C}. Participants are exploring the conditions under which this relationship holds true, particularly focusing on the independence of energy forms within the systems.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the assumption of independence of energy forms and how it relates to the partition function. They question the implications of this independence and explore scenarios where energies might not be independent, such as interactions between subsystems.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about the correct interpretation of independence and its implications for the partition function. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in the relationship between the systems and the conditions under which the partition function can be factored.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention specific examples, such as interacting spins in the Ising model and indistinguishable particles, to illustrate cases where the partition function does not factor as expected, highlighting the nuances in the assumptions being discussed.

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Homework Statement



For three systems A, B, and C it is approximately true that Z_{ABC}=Z_{A}Z_{B}Z_{C}. Prove this and specify under what conditions this is expected to hold.

Homework Equations



Z is the partition function given by Z=∑e^{-ε/KT}
ε is energy, T is temperature and K is Boltzmann constant.

The Attempt at a Solution



let say that A is the translational, B is the vibrational and C is the rotational energy levels for diatomic molecule.

To a good approximation the different forms of molecular energy are independent, so that we can write

ε_{total}= ε_{A}+ε_{B}+ε_{C}​

Since Z=e^{-ε/KT}, the sum in the exponents becomes a product.

Z_{total}=(∑e^{-ε/KT})_{A}(∑e^{-ε/KT})_{B}(∑e^{-ε/KT})_{C}

Z_{ABC}=Z_{A}Z_{B}Z_{C}​

But what will be the conditions?
 
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NewtonApple said:
To a good approximation the different forms of molecular energy are independent, so that we can write

ε_{total}= ε_{A}+ε_{B}+ε_{C}​

When are the Energies in each different form NOT independent? (Think extremes, here!)
 
You are right that independence is important, but I don't think you've used that assumption in the right way.
ε_{total}= ε_{A}+ε_{B}+ε_{C} is true anyway. Don't you need the independence to get from
##Z_{total}=\Sigma_S e^{-ε_{tot}/KT}##
to
##Z_{total}=\Sigma_A \Sigma_B \Sigma_C e^{-ε_{tot}/KT}##
?
I.e. the microstates of the combined system are merely the combinations of the microstates of the separate systems.
 
I might not be interpreting the word "independence" the same as way others are. I think of it as meaning non-interacting.

Non-interaction of A, B, and C is important in being able to write εtotal = εA + εB + εC. An example where the energy cannot be written this way is a system with a potential energy of interaction U(A,B) between subsystems A and B.

Also, there are systems for which the subsystems are strongly interacting but yet the sum over microstates of the total system can still be written as a multiple sum over the microstates of the subsystems. For example, consider a system of 3 interacting spins (A, B, and C) as in the 1D Ising model (See here, especially slide 5). (But the partition function of the total system does not factor into a product of individual partition functions due to the fact that the energy cannot be written as εtotal = εA + εB + εC .)

Even for a system of three non-interacting particles A, B, and C (e.g., three non-interacting particles in a box), there is an important situation where the partition function does not factor as Z = ZA ZB ZC. Think about the case where the particles are indistinguishable. Note that Z doesn't factor even though εtotal = εA + εB + εC.
 

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