Proving a=a: Using Natural Deduction to Show Equality in Set Theory

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The discussion centers on proving the statement a=a using natural deduction and set theory principles. The argument begins with demonstrating that if x is an element of a, then it follows that a is a subset of itself, leading to the conclusion that a=a based on the ZFC axiom of extension. However, there is contention regarding the interpretation of equality, as different definitions exist, particularly in contexts outside of set theory. Critics argue that the proof only shows equality for sets containing the same element, not for other contexts like strings. The conversation highlights the complexity of defining equality and the reliance on axioms within set theory.
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Today while day dreaming I discovered something interesting. I can prove a=a.
Here's how:

You can prove P=>P using natural deduction rules.(=> Intro)
So you can prove that x is an element of a => x is an element of a
Hence a is subset of a, and vice versa.
By ZFC axiom of extension, a=a

So a=a need not be an axiom, because it can be proven. In this sense, equality is not the fundamental concept. Set membership is.
 
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quantum123 said:
Today while day dreaming I discovered something interesting. I can prove a=a.

Unfortunately there are several different defintiions of "=". It appears that what you did was prove that the set consisting of only the element 'a' is equal to the set consisting of only the element 'a'. This doesn't help in other contexts. (For example {a,a} = {a} as sets but not as strings of characters. It also isn't clear whether you are relying on those other contexts in your proof. You'd have to check that the concept of "equvalence relation" isn't used in developing he set theory and propositional logic that you cited.
 
I am using only set theory as the basis.
I did not mention the set consisting of a, but rather a is an arbitrary set. The axiom of extension in set theory does in fact tell you what = means, unequivocally.
 
Sorry Q, but you've only stated half of the equivalence, the other half does not follow..., unless you us a=a, that is, you have assumed the consequent.
 

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