Proof That {bn}n=1∞ Converges When {an}n=1∞ and {an + bn }n=1∞ Converge

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In summary, the given conversation discusses proving the convergence of a sequence {bn}n=1∞ based on the convergence of two other sequences, {an}n=1∞ and {an + bn}n=1∞. The attempt at a solution involves using the definition of convergence and the properties of limits to show that {bn}n=1∞ converges to a limit B. However, there are some errors in the algebraic steps and further understanding of the material is needed.
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Homework Statement



Suppose {an}n=1 and {bn}n=1 are sequences such that {an}n=1 and {an + bn }n=1 converge.

Prove that {bn}n=1 converges.

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The definition of convergence.

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I am pretty new to mathematics that requires proof, so excuse me if I do something really stupid... but basically, is this a sufficient proof?1. Assume {an}n=1 converges to A (by hypothesis).

Then for ε/2 > 0 there is a positive integer N1 such that if n ≥ N1, then |an - A| < ε/2.​

2. Assume that {an + bn }n=1 converges to A + B (by hypothesis).

Then for ε > 0 there is a positive integer N = max{N1, N2} such that if n ≥ N, then | (an + bn) - (A + B) | < ε​

3. | (an + bn) - (A + B) | = | (an - A) + (bn - B) | < ε

4. Since by hypothesis |an - A| < ε/2, then

| (an - A) - (an - A) + (bn - B) | < ε - ε/2

| (bn - B) | < ε/2

if n ≥ N2 for some positive integer N2.​

5. But this is the definition of convergence, therefore {bn}n=1 converges (to B).
Thanks.
 
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You never actually say what N2 is.

Also, if a+b<e and a<e/2 that doesn't give you that b<e/2, so I'm not sure where that final inequality comes from. Subtracting [tex]|a_n-A|[/tex] from the left hand side does not allow you to just move it inside the absolute value sign; and subtracting |a_n-A| from the right hand side, you can't replace it with [tex]\epsilon/2[/tex] and maintain the same inequality, since that makes the right hand side smaller, not larger
As a fast way to see a lot of results like this, once you have the standard summation and multiplication rules, you can use

[tex]b_n=(a_n+b_n)-a_n[/tex] and use what you know about the summation of sequences
 
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There's a problem in step 4 of the attempt. It doesn't follow from

| (an - A) + (bn - B) | < ε

that

| (an - A) - (an - A) + (bn - B) | < ε - ε/2

It's like saying |1-1.9|=0.9 < 1 so |1-1-1.9| < 1-1=0.
 
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This looks okay, why not look at the algebra of limits? if [tex]a_{n}+b_{n}\rightarrow b}[/tex] and [tex]a_{n}\rightarrow a[/tex] then the sequence [tex]b_{n}=a_{n}+b_{n}-a_{n}\rightarrow b-a[/tex]
 
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Thanks everyone. I'm clearly missing something in the understanding of this material, so I'll take what you've said this weekend and dig through the book and see if I can spot the misunderstanding.
 

FAQ: Proof That {bn}n=1∞ Converges When {an}n=1∞ and {an + bn }n=1∞ Converge

1. What is the meaning of convergence in mathematics?

Convergence in mathematics refers to the behavior of a sequence or series as the number of terms increases towards infinity. A sequence is said to converge if its terms approach a single, finite limit. Similarly, a series converges if the sum of its terms approaches a finite limit.

2. How is convergence related to the proof that {bn}n=1∞ converges when {an}n=1∞ and {an + bn }n=1∞ converge?

The proof that {bn}n=1∞ converges when {an}n=1∞ and {an + bn }n=1∞ converge is based on the concept of limit laws. If two sequences {an} and {bn} converge, then their sum {an + bn} also converges to the sum of their limits. This property is known as the sum rule for limits, and it is used in the proof to show that the limit of {bn} is the same as the limit of {an + bn}.

3. What is the importance of proving the convergence of {bn}n=1∞ in this scenario?

The convergence of {bn}n=1∞ is important because it helps us determine the convergence of the original series {an + bn}n=1∞. If {bn} converges, then {an + bn} also converges, which allows us to make conclusions about the behavior of the original series. Additionally, proving the convergence of {bn} helps establish the validity of the sum rule for limits.

4. Can a series converge if both {an}n=1∞ and {an + bn}n=1∞ do not converge?

No, a series cannot converge if both {an}n=1∞ and {an + bn}n=1∞ do not converge. This is because if either of the two sequences does not converge, then their sum {an + bn} also cannot converge. In order for a series to converge, both {an} and {an + bn} must converge individually.

5. Are there any other conditions that need to be met for the proof to be valid?

Yes, in addition to the convergence of {an}n=1∞ and {an + bn}n=1∞, there are other conditions that must be met for the proof to be valid. These include the use of proper mathematical notation and the application of limit laws in a correct and logical manner. Additionally, the proof should also address any potential cases of divergence or oscillation in the sequences.

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