Proof that Heat Capacity is independent of Pressure for a new Equation of State

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The discussion revolves around proving that the heat capacity at constant pressure (Cp) is independent of pressure for a gas described by the equation of state P(v-b) = RT, where b is a constant. Participants are exploring the implications of this relationship and the relevant thermodynamic principles involved.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to demonstrate that the partial derivative of Cp with respect to pressure at constant temperature is zero, expressing confusion over the appropriate Maxwell relation to use. They explore the definitions of enthalpy and internal energy in relation to Cp and Cv, questioning how these definitions impact their approach.

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Some participants have provided guidance on manipulating the equations and suggested using Maxwell relations to facilitate the differentiation process. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between different thermodynamic variables, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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The discussion includes challenges related to the definitions of thermodynamic quantities and the constraints of the problem, particularly in how they relate to the independence of Cp from pressure.

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For a gas that obeys the equation of State P(v-b) = RT, where b is a constant, show that Cp is independent of Pressure, i.e., (\deltaCp/\deltap) at constant T is equal to zero



Homework Equations


Maxwell Relations
H = U+PV
dh = TdS + PdV
dh/dT at constant P is defined as Cp


The Attempt at a Solution


Unfortunately I can't simply say that since Cp is defined as existing at a constant pressure state, that it's independent of pressure; would have made the problem much simpler.

I figure that I'm supposed to prove that (\delta(dH/dT)/\deltap) at constant T is equal to zero, but I'm having trouble figuring out which maxwell relation is the best fit.

d/dP (dH/dT) = d[((TdS)/dT + (VdP)/dT) at constant P]/dP at constant T

My problem is the dS portion of the equation. It's defined in terms of Cp, among other things, and that doesn't really help me in any way... I think.

I have a similar problem when I attempt it with dH = d(U+PV). dU is defined in terms of Cv, or if I break it apart with U = Q+W, I get U = TdS- PdV. Again, not too helpful.

Is it an issue of which relation I'm using to start? Or can the Cv and Cp actually help me?

Thanks for the help
 
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This is a good start. Now how about writing \partial/\partial P[(\partial S/\partial T)_P]_T in a way that let's you use a Maxwell relation?
 
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Oh... Is it possible to switch the order of differentiation here? I suppose this is derived from an exact differential? If that's so, then (dS/dP) at constant T is equal to (dv/dT) at constant P...
 
Yep! Should be no problem now. (Don't forget any sign changes!)
 
Right! thanks a bunch
 

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