Proofs Involving Greatest Common Divisors

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The discussion revolves around a problem in number theory concerning greatest common divisors (GCD). The original poster is tasked with proving that if (a,b)=1 and (a,c)=1, then (bc,a)=1. The problem involves understanding the implications of GCDs and prime factorization.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Exploratory

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  • The original poster attempts to manipulate known equations involving GCDs but struggles to reach the desired conclusion. Some participants suggest considering prime factors and their implications on the GCD. Others propose using a proof by contradiction to explore the properties of prime numbers in relation to the problem.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering various lines of reasoning and hints. While some guidance has been provided, there is no explicit consensus on the approach to take, and multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

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The original poster mentions a lack of prerequisite knowledge in proof techniques, which may be influencing their ability to tackle the problem effectively. There is also a reference to the unique prime factorization of integers, which is relevant to the discussion.

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I'm not sure if it goes here or the section beyond calculus, so I'm just putting it here because it doesn't involve any calculus.

Homework Statement


Suppose that (a,b)=1 [Greatest Common Divisor=1] and (a,c)=1. Does (bc, a)=1?


Homework Equations


(a,b)=d=au+bv, where u and v are integers and d is the greatest common divisor of a and b.


The Attempt at a Solution



OK, so I'm taking both of the facts I already know, that (a,b)=1 and (a,c)=1 and turning them into a useful equation:
1=au+bv, and 1=am+cn where u,v,m, and n are all integers. I know that my end goal is to find a(q)+bc(r)=1 However, I can't seem to find a way to get there. The closest I've gotten is by setting the two equal:
au+bv=am+cn, and them multiplying by bc to get:
abcu-abcm=bc2n+b2cv
Then I factor and move them to the same side to find:
0=a(bcm-bcu)+bc(cn+bv)
Which is not what I need.

Am I going about this the completely wrong way? I have a feeling I'm mistaking a basic part of the proof, as a similar problem is also giving me trouble.
 
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Just think about prime factors. Do a and b have any prime factors in common? Do a and c have any prime factors in common? What does that tell you about a and bc?
 
I know that they all share no prime factors. If they did, they would have a GCD other than one. However, I don't know how to incorporate that (Or much at all) into a proof. I'm having a bit of trouble because I skipped into this course without taking the pre-req where you learn a lot of proof techniques. I ordered a book the professor recommended but I haven't gotten it yet... I feel like that's what I'm missing, but maybe not?
 
Try a contradiction, let a number k (not 1) divide bc and a, and let (a,b)=1 and (a,c)=1. Without loss of generality let k be prime. Use the definition of a prime (if a prime divides bc then it divides b or c). You should be able to derive a contradiction from that easily.
 
The answer is yes and to show it by using the fact that the gcd of two numbers can be represented as a linear combination of the numbers, the key was to multiply instead of setting them equal (the hint is that 1*1 = 1). But that's not very elegant so we can be more clear.

From the given info, we have that ax_0 + by_0 = 1 = ax_1 + cy_1. Thus (by_0)(cy_1) = (1 - ax_0)(1 - ax_1) = 1 - ax_2 where x_2 = x_1 + x_0 - ax_0x_1. Rearranging, we have bcy_0y_1 + ax_2 = 1. Hence, (bc, a) = 1.
 
Ateowa said:
I know that they all share no prime factors. If they did, they would have a GCD other than one. However, I don't know how to incorporate that (Or much at all) into a proof. I'm having a bit of trouble because I skipped into this course without taking the pre-req where you learn a lot of proof techniques. I ordered a book the professor recommended but I haven't gotten it yet... I feel like that's what I'm missing, but maybe not?
Any integer has a unique prime factorization. If a and b have gcd 1, then they have no prime factors in common- if they did their gcd would be be divisible by those prime factors. Similarly a and c have no prime factors in common. But bc is just the product of the prime factors of b and c. None of the prime factors of bc can divide a because none of the prime factors of b and c separately did.
 
Thanks guys! I really appreciate your help.
 

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